Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-27 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: Jochem van Dieten wrote: I define euthanasia as the active termination of the live of a patient by medical personnel on the explicit request of the patient. If it is not active, it might be derilection of duty or whatever, but not euthanasia. If it is not on the request of the

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-26 Thread Dana
I define euthanasia as the active termination of the live of a patient by medical personnel on the explicit request of the patient. If it is not active, it might be derilection of duty or whatever, but not euthanasia. If it is not on the request of the patient, it is not euthanasia but

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: I define euthanasia as the active termination of the live of a patient by medical personnel on the explicit request of the patient. I, of course, would change of the patient to of the patient or the patient's legal guardian(s).

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-25 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: yes. I define euthanasia as the active termination of the live of a patient by medical personnel on the explicit request of the patient. If it is not active, it might be derilection of duty or whatever, but not euthanasia. If it is not on the request of the patient, it is not

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-24 Thread Dana
yes. Not sure what the dictionary definition is but I mean causing death by whatever means. Of course now that I look at it again, you would only do this if you believe it to be in the best interest of the patient, so of course there would be an argument for doing so. However, I don't think this

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-22 Thread Dana
I'd agree with you with respect to particular doctors -- though I find it hard to imagine why a doctor would object to *not* euthanizing a patient -- but as I understand it, and possibly I understand it wrong, the opposing parties to the suit are taking the position that they can euthanize a

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: I'd agree with you with respect to particular doctors -- though I find it hard to imagine why a doctor would object to *not* euthanizing a patient -- That depends on your definition of euthanasia. Is withholding live prologing treatment euthanasia or not? Jochem

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-21 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: Where does the state enter the equation? The state because this is taking place in Great Britain and the other party to the suit is the National Heath Service, isn't it? It is pretty much a confrontation between quangos: The Health Secretary has joined the GMC in its appeal,

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-21 Thread Kevin Graeme
On 5/21/05, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is pretty much a confrontation between quangos: Wow. An word in English which I have never previously encountered. Quango An organization which is established by a government to consider a subject of public importance, but which is

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-21 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Kevin Graeme wrote: Jochem van Dieten wrote: It is pretty much a confrontation between quangos: Wow. An word in English which I have never previously encountered. Quango An organization which is established by a government to consider a subject of public importance, but which is

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-19 Thread Dana
So a doctor should only be forced to perform some procedures he believes to be wrong, not all? Not at all. I mentioned those two because they are the two generally objected to. I can't think of any other possibilities, except perhaps clitoral mutilation, which isn't often requested in Europe.

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: I don't know that I agree, at least not in this case. I don't thnk that a doctor who believes that abortion or euthanasia is wrong should be forced to perform such procedures. But this is a patient who wishes not to be euthanized. So a doctor should only be forced to perform some

stirring the pot again

2005-05-17 Thread Dana
anyone else seen this? Dana http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1613918,00.html May 16, 2005 Doctors challenge patient's final say on right to live By Alexandra Frean and Steve Bird THE Court of Appeal will decide this week whether it should be for doctors or patients to have a

re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dana wrote: Doctors challenge patient's final say on right to live By Alexandra Frean and Steve Bird THE Court of Appeal will decide this week whether it should be for doctors or patients to have a final say on withdrawing life-saving treatment. The case concerns Leslie Burke, 45, a

Re: stirring the pot again

2005-05-17 Thread Dana
I don't know that I agree, at least not in this case. I don't thnk that a doctor who believes that abortion or euthanasia is wrong should be forced to perform such procedures. But this is a patient who wishes not to be euthanized. Since euthanasia is supposedly in the patient's best interests,