wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Dana
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/05/09/1538217/us-air-force-can-accidentally-spy-on-american-citizens-for-90-days ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/05/09/1538217/us-air-force-can-accidentally-spy-on-american-citizens-for-90-days This appears to say that domestic drone video/data can be kept for 90 days. How long is satellite video/data

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Dana
good question and I don't know. I wasn't even aware the Air Force was using drones in the US. I find the idea slightly chilling considering how they are used elsewhere. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Dana

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Border patrol wants to use them on the US Canadian border and I believe they are testing unarmed drones, for surveillance only, on the Mexican border. Here's a thought experiment, what's better, for the data to be only in the hands of corporate or government hands, or available to anyone? On

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Dana
what data are we talking about exactly? Now there's a question. Is this an advanced version of google maps? With intercept capability? Or is there eavesdropping capability as well? Offhand, I'd choose corporate. I can tell Google to F* off if I so choose. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM,

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
I would have to look for the story, but i seem to recall hearing about some police deopartmetns purchasing a drone. It may have been in ref to immigaration enforcement. I will have to look to be sure. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: what data are we

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/04/21/2491063/aclu-concerned-about-seattle-police.html On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I would have to look for the story, but i seem to recall hearing about some police deopartmetns purchasing a drone.

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
crap...404... On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/04/21/2491063/aclu-concerned-about-seattle-police.html On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I would

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
here is the cached page... http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=drones+used+by+police+departmetnsd=27023553397000195mkt=en-USsetlang=en-USw=8e681f6a,8d9f59b6 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: crap...404... On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM,

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If its something like that, how different is it from the police using helicopters or even a cop on the beat. I think the issue is who get the data and how long is it kept for. I trust corporations as much as I'd trust governments. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Eric Roberts

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
not sure if this is blocked or not here...but here is a Chicago tribune article...or at least is supposed to be. i got a blank page..., http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-mct-police-apologize-for-not-keeping-council-in-loop-20120503,0,1811700.story On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Eric

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread LRS Scout
There a re a bunch of local police forces that have gotten into the drone business. I saw an article about them being used in Dallas recently. What's funny is that even though these local police are using the the DHS doesn't want to siting privacy concerns, it was in a wired article recently.

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
I think the big issue is saftey...what happens if they lose control of a drone...there is no direct human intervention availaible to avert it from crashing into a busy street or into a school full of kids...yes, accidents happen with manned aircraft, but at least then there is a piolt that gets

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
dunno, if you get hit by the uncontrolled drone... About 2 years ago I was working on a contract for a engineering institute, I had to attend their annual scientific conference. One of the biggest presentations was the demonstration of an antonymous urban navigation system for drones. Part of

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread LRS Scout
Well, that may be your concern, but it's certainly not mine. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I think the big issue is saftey...what happens if they lose control of a drone...there is no direct human intervention availaible to avert it

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: dunno, if you get hit by the uncontrolled drone... Then you should go buy lotto tickets. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
at that point you've probably used up all your luck .Speaking of drones etc http://news.yahoo.com/unmanned-drones-patrolling-us-canada-border-eastern-washington-163654228.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/more-predator-drones-fly-us-mexico-border/2011/12/01/gIQANSZz8O_story.html On

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread LRS Scout
Here is the article about DHS not wanting to use drones: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/spy-drones-over-america-dhs-would-rather-not/?utm_source=Contextlyutm_medium=RelatedLinksutm_campaign=Previous Here is a map of people using drones in the U.S.:

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Rats they're flying drones over my favourite discrete crossing points. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the article about DHS not wanting to use drones:

Re: wtf of the day

2012-05-10 Thread Dana
that's probably the most encouraging thing I've heard about DHS this month at least. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the article about DHS not wanting to use drones: