Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Larry Lyons
Adam, if you're that down on CF why are you still using it? Or for that matter posting to a CF list? This is a traditionally unpopular metric with CF developers, but there's this: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Java's more prevalent than .NET platform

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Larry Lyons
Open BD stagnant? You have to be joking. It has a very active google groups mailing list, and OBD is actively developed - up to v. 3X now with some very unique features. While opinions are fine, please don't mask opinions as fact Adam. I can't vouch for New Atlanta itself, but BD.NET has not

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Adam Cameron
What in what I said suggested I'm down on CF? That it is running out of steam and becoming less and less relevant as time goes on (and I don't think anyone who has a reasonable purchase on reality can contest that?) has no bearing on nor is impacted by what *I* personally think about it. I'm

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Steve 'Cutter' Blades
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Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Adam Cameron
[Snort]. Yeah, OK mate. You keep telling yourself that. -- Adam On 13 March 2013 13:38, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Open BD stagnant? You have to be joking. It has a very active google groups mailing list, and OBD is actively developed - up to v. 3X now with some very unique

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Russ Michaels
I looked at OBD site a while back noticed there was. No mention of the windows installers done by Viviotech, you have to go to his site to find them. No mention of the Web Platform Installer version done by Helicon either. I know it is very geared toward Linux users, but to purposefully exclude

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-13 Thread Mark Drew
Working on it as much as I can! Regards Mark Drew On 13 Mar 2013, at 14:00, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Although to be fair Railo are not very good at keeping their site updated either. ~| Order the Adobe

(ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Dave Hatz
I know I have seen a lot of threads on this in the past, but didn't pay much attention to them until now. I have been using CF since v4.0 and now we have clients telling us that we can not use CF anymore and that we need to switch to .NET. Now I know our client's upper management couldn't

RE: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Robert Harrison
To be honest, if the reason is that is what others are doing, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use PHP or Word Press? Those are in far greater use that .net. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct   125 Kennedy Drive,  

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Justin Scott
For those of u on this list that have experience with both, can I please get your feedback on the Pros and Cons of going to the .NET framework from ColdFusion? Hi Dave, that will depend on what you're doing with it. I don't have anything against .NET and have done some coding with it. The

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Gerald Guido
A couple of things come to mind. First is the primary reason I use CF: Speed of development. CF can be seen as a framework for Java much like jQuery is a framework for JavaScript. It takes care of the bulk of the heavy lifting and grunt work so you can focus on writing productive code. ,NET is a

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Carl Von Stetten
Justin, With regard to a CFML engine running on .NET, New Atlanta has a BlueDragon .NET edition http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm that does exactly that. -Carl V. On 3/12/2013 2:07 PM, Justin Scott wrote: For those of u on this list that have experience with both, can

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Justin Scott
With regard to a CFML engine running on .NET, New Atlanta has a BlueDragon .NET edition that does exactly that. Thanks Carl, I knew they had a Java version but wasn't aware of the .NET edition. Good to know if I ever run across one of those types of clients. -Justin

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Carl Von Stetten
Justin, As a one-time Java BlueDragon user, I'd say the .NET version is the only reason I'd use BlueDragon over ACF at this point. They have fallen way behind in comparable feature support (last time I checked they were about equivalent to ACF 7/8). -Carl V. On 3/12/2013 3:49 PM, Justin

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Andrew Scott
Justin... OpenBD began its days as a .Net engine... Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.orgwrote: For those of u on this list that have

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Andrew Scott
And I am sure that if you get to the real nuts and bolts of it, Java is more popular on the Enterprise level than .Net is. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Gerald Guido

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Adam Cameron
I can't vouch for New Atlanta itself, but BD.NET has not seen any activity for a number of years, and never got beyond CFMX 7 compat, as far as I can recollect. OpenBD is - as far as I can tell - a stagnant project (except for Alan doing what best suits Alan: fair enough... that was always the

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Adam Cameron
This is a traditionally unpopular metric with CF developers, but there's this: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Java's more prevalent than .NET platform languages, but that's not a compelling reason to use either (/or). And let's not forget that CFML is not Java,

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Russ Michaels
well, , being as it compiles to java byte code, and you can distribute any CFML app as pure JAVA, no CFML in sight, which would make it a java app. I have never tried this TBH, but I would presume you just deploy your app as a war file, so it presumably would not even need a CFML engine, it will

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Adam Cameron
Well that's fine (and, yes, that's how you do the deployment). But a language is what you type in to the IDE or text editor, not what it compiles down to, or that one deploys. Java byte code is no more Java than CFML is, for that matter. CFML is not Java. Java is Java. A better defence of

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Andrew Scott
Russ, From memory as I haven't done it for awhile, is that the runtime is bundled with your application meaning you need to supply a serial number with the war as well. All that assumption was prior to ColdFusion 10, so it may handle it differently. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite:

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Andrew Scott
No Adam, the compiled version is Java. Same as both Java and .Net compile down to a bytecode that is interpreted at the machine language level, which makes machine code not .Net or Java either :P Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+:

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Gerald Guido
To the OP: CFML is withering away... get used to it. Take whatever opportunity you can to shift to a different language. Either .net-based languages or Java would be good options. * * True but tizz a crying shame. I have been all over the map but I have yet to find a replacement that I *really*

Re: (ot) .NET vs. CF

2013-03-12 Thread Dave Watts
Well that's fine (and, yes, that's how you do the deployment). But a language is what you type in to the IDE or text editor, not what it compiles down to, or that one deploys. Java byte code is no more Java than CFML is, for that matter. CFML is not Java. Java is Java. That's true from a