: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
Sorry I was going to stay out of this conversation but Brian's last comment
touched a nerve. Brian honestly 14 questions? If it took you 6 years to
write 14 questions OUC
Die thread die!
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From: Eric Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
Sorry I was going to stay out of this
This may be a good time to move this thread to CF-OT.
On 1/18/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry I was going to stay out of this conversation but Brian's last
> comment
> touched a nerve. Brian honestly 14 questions? If it took you 6 years
> to
> write 14 questions OUCH. I
Sorry I was going to stay out of this conversation but Brian's last comment
touched a nerve. Brian honestly 14 questions? If it took you 6 years to
write 14 questions OUCH. I understand your point but I think the argument
you just made
"If you worked on something for 6+ years to watch it pot
Good, can we leave this TECHNICAL list for TECHNICAL discussion please?
On 1/18/07, Brian Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ben and I have spoken privately, and the matter is settled and put to rest
> between us.
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>You know, if people acted like people this type of thing would not go on
>like this. I do not know Brian and I do not know Ben, but as a man and a
>human being, I know well enough to go directly to the horses mouth and talk
>to the person that I have a problem with instead of bashing them on an op
I still love you Ben. ;-)
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> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:26 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com,
> and to the entire ColdFusion
I think it has been a good and interesting discussion...albeit at Brian and
Ben's expense ;-)
Eric
I'm not even sure why this debate has come up. Ben admitted he infringed,
it's not even a question.
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> You're a consultant. How would you like it if your clients redistributed
> your work, without the right to do so? Would your panties be unbunched?
>
>
I don't get paid for my code. I get paid for the time I took to write
the code and any time I spend maintaining it. The code belongs to the
c
, but who
do the questions belong to?
Just curious if anyone thought of it this way.
Steve
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com,
and to the e
> Different case...you are presenting this book and profiting
> from it as your own material.
If I give it away?
> Ben was presenting it more as proof of concept, as stated in
> his email and he did not state that he came up with the questions
> on his own. His only mistake was not citing Bria
Different case...you are presenting this book and profiting from it as your
own material. Ben was presenting it more as proof of concept, as stated in
his email and he did not state that he came up with the questions on his
own. His only mistake was not citing Brian on it. He used the questions
, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
> And yet we're all doing it right now.
Speak for yourself. I'm not taking legal advice from anyone here, and the
things I have learned about IP, I've learned from either (a) paying lawyers,
or (b) having a lawyer for a spouse, or (c)
Dave, sorry, I meant here we all are giving advice (or more to the point
our opinion), not here we are taking advice. That's what I meant by
"doing it". ;o)
While you list of experience with this matter that you listed is
impressive, it still doesn't make you a lawyer, and so anything you say
> And yet we're all doing it right now.
Speak for yourself. I'm not taking legal advice from anyone here, and the
things I have learned about IP, I've learned from either (a) paying lawyers,
or (b) having a lawyer for a spouse, or (c) my own work as an expert witness
with regard to technical aspec
> Damn, I just can't seem to stay away from this thread and get any work
> done. :o)
Well, I personally am more than happy to continue the debate...but not on this
list. If you want to continue it, take it over to CF-Community and I'll be
happy to join you there (as would many others I'm sure!)
Dave Watts wrote:
> Legal advice from programmers is about as useful as program code from
> lawyers.
>
And yet we're all doing it right now. I've stated in other comments on
the other thread, that what I'm arguing is the way I wish the law were
and not what it is now. This is exactly why I vot
> Dave, strictly on the topic of intellectual property and
> copyrights, and not on what Ben and Brian decide to do, I
> don't feel like I can let that go. ;o)
>
> Your example, in my opinion (which I fully realize is probably
> *contrary* to what the law says about intellectual property),
> co
Damn, I just can't seem to stay away from this thread and get any work
done. :o)
Mary Jo Sminkey wrote:
>> We're talking about test questions here. Not a novel, or even a book
>> that contains *original* thoughts and musings as you suggest in your
>> example.
>>
>
> Doesn't matter. You ca
>We're talking about test questions here. Not a novel, or even a book
>that contains *original* thoughts and musings as you suggest in your
>example.
Doesn't matter. You can't decide on your own that someone else's work is more
or less deserving of copyright protection. The law already does th
>As I recall, in the U.S. at least if you do not aggressively protect
>your IP rights upon discovery of theft -- be it malicious theft or
>incidental and of innocent intent -- you forfeit them. There is no
>legal middle ground.
Actually Matt, that applies more to trademarks than copyright. It's fa
ithin this
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Jan 17 17:01:22 2007
Subject: RE: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and
to the en
Dave, strictly on the topic of intellectual property and copyrights, and
not on what Ben and Brian decide to do, I don't feel like I can let that
go. ;o)
Your example, in my opinion (which I fully realize is probably
*contrary* to what the law says about intellectual property), compares
apples
As I recall, in the U.S. at least if you do not aggressively protect
your IP rights upon discovery of theft -- be it malicious theft or
incidental and of innocent intent -- you forfeit them. There is no
legal middle ground.
I would have published the evidence of the theft if it had happened to
me
kevin, my apologies, i hadn't realized calling some one hypocritical was a
complement. i'll try shrieking that a traffic cop on my way to work tomorrow
morning ;-)
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> hmm... I guess so. Well, while I see Brian's point, I have to
> agree with you Neil: Any one of us could have come up with
> these questions without prior knowledge of Brian's questions.
> Also, it's obvious that there was no malicious intent, and
> that Ben was *not* trying to achieve any so
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
> the entire ColdFusion community
>
> Kevin Aebig wrote:
>
>> I'm honestly beyond caring enough to point blame to anyone in
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com,
and to the entire ColdFusion community
I say, let's put this to bed. Brian and Ben discuss offline etc about
how to best reach the amicable agreement they both no doub
anything
more than an outside observation is somehow dumping on Brian... that's a
long stretch at best.
!k
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From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:24 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 16:17, Christopher Jordan wrote:
> it just
> seems a little petty to me.
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>>
>> I reckon something must have happened if you look at
>>
>> http://www.centrasoft.com/stuff/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 17 Janua
t: 17 January 2007 15:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
Kevin,
I'm lost. How did I "start to publicly give away my content"?
Are you saying my screenshot comparison is giving away my content?
Ple
I agree Paul, and my following email is not an attempt to "dump on"
anyone, but he does say:
"CFMX Exam Buster 7.0 was released to the public in July of 2005."
I'm not a lawyer or anything, but how can he maintain control of
something that he "released to the public"? Am I misconstruing
ne of his clients publicly giving away his content. Anyone
>else find that a tad strange?
>
>!k
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:45 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: My sincerest apolog
Kevin Aebig wrote:
> I'm honestly beyond caring enough to point blame to anyone in this
> situation. My thought was that it's somewhat hypocritical as a few examples
> would've been more than enough.
...and so you continue to dump on brian. swell.
ne doesn't make very much sense.
!k
-Original Message-
From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
Kevin Aebig wrote:
>
ook at
>
> http://www.centrasoft.com/stuff/index.htm
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17 January 2007 15:47
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
> th
Kevin Aebig wrote:
> I love how he starts to publicly give away his content when he's got a
> problem with one of his clients publicly giving away his content. Anyone
> else find that a tad strange?
no, it's brian's to give away as he so choses.
if you intend to start dumping on brian for this, p
2007 9:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to
the entire ColdFusion community
I reckon something must have happened if you look at
http://www.centrasoft.com/stuff/index.htm
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From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[
display has tarnished my reputation and my
>> standing within the ColdFusion community. I love this language very
>> much and I love this community and I would like your trust. I
>> understand that building trust takes time and effort and I promise
>> that I will do
and my
>> standing within the ColdFusion community. I love this language very much
>> and I love this community and I would like your trust. I understand that
>> building trust takes time and effort and I promise that I will do
>> everything in my power to gain y
for how I have made Brian feel
>> and I hope that with time, Brian can learn to forgive me for my actions
>> and that he will truly believe that my intentions were not malicious.
>>
>> I also recognize that this display has tarnished my reputation and my
>> standing withi
ould like your trust. I understand that
> building trust takes time and effort and I promise that I will do
> everything in my power to gain your trust and to give back to the
> community that has given me so much.
>
> My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and t
that
building trust takes time and effort and I promise that I will do
everything in my power to gain your trust and to give back to the
community that has given me so much.
My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to the
entire ColdFusion community,
Ben Nadel
...
ffort and I promise that I will do
everything in my power to gain your trust and to give back to the
community that has given me so much.
My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to the
entire ColdFusion community,
Ben Nadel
...
Ben Nadel
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effort and I promise that I will do
> everything in my power to gain your trust and to give back to the
> community that has given me so much.
>
> My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to the
> entire ColdFusion community,
>
>
t I will do
everything in my power to gain your trust and to give back to the
community that has given me so much.
My sincerest apologies to Brian Simmons, CentraSoft.Com, and to the
entire ColdFusion community,
Ben Nadel
..
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