Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-14 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 20:10, Qasim Rasheed wrote: Not to contradict the usefulness of SVN, there is a plugin for VSS that you use within Eclipse which essentially gives you all the feature from VSS IDE that you are accustomed to. But only on Windows. -- Tom Chiverton

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-14 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Qasim Rasheed wrote: Not to contradict the usefulness of SVN, there is a plugin for VSS that you use within Eclipse which essentially gives you all the feature from VSS IDE that you are accustomed to. And in addition you get a few 'features' you are not accustomed too. If you have VSS

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-14 Thread Rob Wilkerson
LOL. I'm pushing to move away from VSS for many more reasons than the availability of an Eclipse plugin, so sticking with VSS just isn't an option. Regardless of the attractiveness of these features you've so eloquently described. On 6/14/06, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qasim

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 12 June 2006 18:25, Rob Wilkerson wrote: customers. Ideally, I'd like to extract only the modified files from the source control repository so I can then just roll them up in a tarball without any additional weeding of what's in and what's out. Should be easy enough, you ask SVN for

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Traher
I just experimented with tagging just a handful of files (i tried three) and then I replaced the project with the 'tag' and all I had was the necessary folder tree and the files I had tagged! This would then make a nice neat distribution. (I suspect this is what the 'patch' wizard in eclipse may

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 09:43, Michael Traher wrote: At the risk of crazy people joining the thread eclipse does have very nice source control tools CVS built in and SVN as a plugin. Heh :-) (CVS support is a plugin too, just happens to ship with the base Eclipse distribution). -- Tom

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Rob Wilkerson
Michael, it sounds like you tried exactly what I'm looking to do, but I need to clarify since you used terminology that I'm not familiar with (read: non-VSS terms). I assume tagging is labeling, but what do you mean you replaced the project? I need to tag a few selected files and then extract -

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Traher
:-) yes, each of these source systems has a language all its own! Fortunately CVS and SVN have the same root so thats one mercy. The project is all stored in the repository (all versions since you first created it there or committed your existing source files for the first time). In eclipse (and

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Rob Wilkerson
I think it does and it means that SVN offers a capability that VSS is fundamentally lacking. That will make selling this change much easier. Thanks for your help. On 6/13/06, Michael Traher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) yes, each of these source systems has a language all its own! Fortunately

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Traher
I found the greatest aid to selling CVS/SVN was the price :-) On 6/13/06, Rob Wilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it does and it means that SVN offers a capability that VSS is fundamentally lacking. That will make selling this change much easier. Thanks for your help. On 6/13/06,

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Rob Wilkerson
True, but in this case we already own VSS so cost is less of a factor. I have to sell added value and less-than-absurd conversion costs. To that end, any conversion resources anyone could offer would be great. Also, any selling points on the value added side would be helpful. On 6/13/06,

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Traher
(At the further risk of crazy people) what IDE are you using, because I found that easy of use for the development team is a key factor. That is what prompted us to switch to eclipse. There are other clients, and good ones, but for me having it integrated in the ide was key. With eclipse all your

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Rob Wilkerson
Most of my people use CFEclipse. I have one CFStudio/HS+ holdover. The integration points via the SVN plugin were just one of the attractions of moving to SVN from VSS. On 6/13/06, Michael Traher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (At the further risk of crazy people) what IDE are you using, because I

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-13 Thread Qasim Rasheed
Not to contradict the usefulness of SVN, there is a plugin for VSS that you use within Eclipse which essentially gives you all the feature from VSS IDE that you are accustomed to. HTH Qasim On 6/13/06, Rob Wilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of my people use CFEclipse. I have one

OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Rob Wilkerson
I actually have two questions, here. The first is fairly specific, the second a general request for advice: 1. How do you all handle source code labels for hotfix files? Are there any so-called best practices? I have a large application which occasionally requires hotfixes (I know, I'm

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Michael Traher
If I understand #1 properly then what we do (using CVS but principals are the same) is; change n files to do the fix test apply a tag to entire project checkout entire project using tag, to a temp folder use rsync to update the production site - only n files will actually be copied I have

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Rob Wilkerson
I think you understand what I'm trying to do, but the key difference is that we have a product. The modified files must be distributed to customers. Ideally, I'd like to extract only the modified files from the source control repository so I can then just roll them up in a tarball without any

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Denny Valliant
On 6/12/06, Rob Wilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you understand what I'm trying to do, but the key difference is that we have a product. The modified files must be distributed to customers. Ideally, I'd like to extract only the modified files from the source control repository so

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Denny Valliant
Oh yeah, and SVN makes/applies patches as well, forgot to mention. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243281 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription:

Re: OT: Best Practices - Source Control and Hotfixes

2006-06-12 Thread Denny Valliant
Oh yeah, and I think this was discussed earlier, but you could use md5 hashes of the files, and a DB, to check for differences between what was, and what is. Totally bypasses the source control method, could still use a zip tho. :den On 6/12/06, Denny Valliant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah,