RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Ben Rogers
> Not necessarily. As a developer you can continue to build robust > ColdFusion applications without having to worry about the J2EE > underpinnings. I disagree with this statement. I have had to learn a great deal about JRun to develop in and host on ColdFusion MX. I have justified it with the "

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Steven Erat
Ben, > That said, what I take out of this is that, to develop > applications for the > ColdFusion MX platform, we developers need a very thorough > understanding of > the JVM. This includes how to debug JVM related issues and > where to go to > locate information about JVM error messages. Not

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Ben Rogers
Steve, First, your posts in this thread have been extraordinarily informative. Thank you very much. That said, what I take out of this is that, to develop applications for the ColdFusion MX platform, we developers need a very thorough understanding of the JVM. This includes how to debug JVM relat

Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Douglas Knudsen
good posts Steven! Being in charge of supporting our CF servers here in my company I know first hand some of these difficulties introduced with CFMX. CFMX introduced the whole J2EE platform stuffs to a large crowd of non J2EE folks. Not being a JAR head I found this to be a big jump in managing

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Steven Erat
Micha, I reiterate; I don't believe that casting a broad net for specious reports, incomplete data, and hyperbole will serve to solve whatever particular difficulty ails a given server. I think most every case is rather unique, although where common threads are drawn they get turned around into

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-24 Thread Micha Schopman
Steven, are there any indications that Macromedia focuses on fixing the foundation and adding new features afterwards? These issues come up a lot, I see more stability issues than regular questions about the language. I would hate to see new CFMX installs can only be used in production environments

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Steven Erat
(Message Rejected: Reposting)Dave, Here's a few replies to your followup. If I don't make sense, blame it on NYPD Blue :) JRun metrics provide a simple view into the number of sessions and the amount of memory allocated and free, and you might want to use this before deciding to enable the more ro

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Dave Watts
> Neil, I'm a little late to the game here, but if you provide > details of the problems you're experiencing, then I'll do my > best to help out. Steven, I have to say that's one hell of a good response! I've got some followup questions for you. > 3) how about GC logging or JRun

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Steven Erat
Neil, I'm a little late to the game here, but if you provide details of the problems you're experiencing, then I'll do my best to help out. ColdFusion configurations and environments *vary widely* among users. I don't think that casting a broad net for specious reports, incomplete data, and hyper

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Dave Watts
> These are all straight from the MM technotes and to be honest > make no difference at all.. I've found a lot of the technote items to make a big difference in some cases. In other cases, unfortunately, not so much. There seem to be so many variables involved in CFMX server stability that ma

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Emmet McGovern
No, I don't save class files. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE We've had nothing but problems with CFMX enterprise/jrun in a hardware NLB enviro

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Yepagreed. We did this but still get the errors of a crash... Come on MM, better debug tools in CF! -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2004 16:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE That's true, they are o

Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Andy Allan
; These are all straight from the MM technotes and to be honest make no > difference at all.. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 November 2004 16:39 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF Crash : Server Config o

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Do you have save class files on? -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2004 16:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE We've had nothing but problems with CFMX enterprise/jrun in a hardware NLB environment with

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Emmet McGovern
I'm hoping blackstone is the golden nugget of all cf builds. -e -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE Remember there are certain tags that don't

RE: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
These are all straight from the MM technotes and to be honest make no difference at all.. -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2004 16:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE Remember there are certain tags that don&#

Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Andy Allan
Remember there are certain tags that don't obey the timeout request, including , , , , and CFX tags. Also, make sure your threadWaitTimeout in your jrun.xml file is set to be equal or greater than your Timeout Request value in the CFAdmin otherwise you'll get lots of RuntimeException errors in yo

Re: CF Crash : Server Config or J2EE

2004-11-23 Thread Douglas Knudsen
running CFMX6.1 updated in J2EE modeon JRun on IIS5. I get a server freak out on occassion, usually when the DB becomes unavailable. My thoughts: I have the request-timeout set too high, 60 secs, and none of the developers use the timeout attribute in cfquery. This box hosts several apps, so wh