RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
Original Message Subject: Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer From: Maureen Barger > Your loadbalancer hosts your service name, www.bradsapp.com and it > routes traffic to www1.bradsapp.com www2.bradsapp.com and > www3.bradsapp.com. Pretty much yes,

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Maureen Barger
Can we back up a little, just for fun? :) Can you talk a little bit about how your app is set up? Here is my take on your description: Your loadbalancer hosts your service name, www.bradsapp.com and it routes traffic to www1.bradsapp.com www2.bradsapp.com and www3.bradsapp.com. The LB is configure

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
ld be receiving. ~Brad Original Message Subject: Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer From: Jason Fisher Date: Wed, February 25, 2009 3:40 pm To: cf-talk @Brad, I totally understand that issue of having large / complex session blocks and facing the potential of deep re

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Jason Fisher
@Brad, I totally understand that issue of having large / complex session blocks and facing the potential of deep re-work. One thought in that vein, especially thinking forward to the potential performance shocks of running large sessions in memory: you may want to consider pushing more to the

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
-- Subject: Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer From: Jason Fisher Date: Wed, February 25, 2009 2:09 pm To: cf-talk In a hardware load-balanced environment, I have always used Client vars rather than Session. (Just make sure you store them in the DB, not in the Registry.) Basi

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
You are correct that session data cannot be replicated between stand-alone installs of ColdFusion. You are also correct in your assessment of why my user's sessions seem to disappear when they switch servers. Unfortunately, I know what is happening. What I don't know is how to prevent it. ~Bra

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
Thanks for the info Dave. I didn't know the bit about load balancers hosting the certs. I'll have to ask our hosting company about the specific set up of our balancer. >From my research, it seems that load balancers can use one (or more?) of the following methods to to determine which server

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Shannon Peevey
O On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Jason Fisher wrote: > > In a hardware load-balanced environment, I have always used Client vars > rather than Session. (Just make sure you store them in the DB, not in the > Registry.) Basically, the Client vars are a contract between the browser > and the a

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
Chris, that is my assumption of what is happening. Either that or their network has two gateways-- one for secure, and one for non-secure. Of course, the looming question is why it tricks my load balancer. ~Brad Original Message Subject: Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Jason Fisher
In a hardware load-balanced environment, I have always used Client vars rather than Session. (Just make sure you store them in the DB, not in the Registry.) Basically, the Client vars are a contract between the browser and the application, whereas Session vars are a contract between the brows

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Dave Watts
> 1) Can anyone confirm seeing the behavior of changing > IP addresses over SSL? I haven't seen this with SSL specifically, but there's nothing special about SSL in this case - just like HTTP, HTTPS is stateless. > 3) Aren't cookies encrypted over SSL anyway-- so how > would my load balancer eve

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Chris Kelly
It is possible that the user has a different proxy for http than for https - this would possibly give you a different IP for http vs https. There are not many really good reasons to do that, so it's somewhat unlikely, but possible. >That's a good question Mark. We are not using domain cookies

Re: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Chris Kelly
It is possible that the user has a different proxy for http than for https - this would possibly give you a different IP for http vs https. There are not many really good reasons to do that, so it's somewhat unlikely, but possible. >That's a good question Mark. We are not using domain cookies,

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread brad
onger exists. ~Brad Original Message Subject: RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer From: "Mark Kruger" Date: Wed, February 25, 2009 11:50 am To: cf-talk Are you sure something else is not going on dealing with

RE: Client IP changes on SSL- tricks load balancer

2009-02-25 Thread Mark Kruger
Are you sure something else is not going on dealing with domain cookies? If I come into a site as http://example.com and browse around - getting sesssionID in the process and tied to a cookie, then I hit a URL http://www.example.com That's a different domain Unless you are hitting the sa