ColdFusion has more than a decade of market exposure. Re-branding any
product is very costly proposition. I am not suggesting that Abode
stop spending money to market ColdFusion, merely that re-branding a
well known product is waste of money and time, and would likely lose
more customers than
Apologies. My phrasing here is misleading. 100% my fault.
I knew about CF being free for education, but dreamweaver, flash,
photoshop, illustrator, are not. This was the complaint I was hearing
from my educational colleagues.
Again, I apologize for my miscommunication.
The class on CF I was
Windows nn - Windows nn = still sucks. Although I hear Windows 7 sucks
less :)
That's not really rebranding though is it? The product is still called
Windows.
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
I agree not only do they need to try and get classes into the colleges,
they also need to teach the capabilities to the web staff of the
colleges.
I took a class on web administration (required couldn't opt out even
though I've been doing this a long time), and I used CF for my final
project.
CF Educational licensing is free if I remember correctly (correct me if I am
wrong on that...)
-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:jor...@viviotech.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:55 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion?
Windows
Java Fusion
Please NO !
Enough Java con-fusion with Java and Javascript. ;-)
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion
RapidFusion! Because developing is so rapid compared to developing in other
languages. haha
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans [mailto:schneeg...@interneti=71?=
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:13 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time
Of course, one downside to that (from the company's standpoint) is once they
announce the name, they're kind of locked into a timeline. So, they may
release a buggier version of ColdFusion 2011 just to get it out before the
end of 2011 rather than having to release CF2011 in 2012 or having to
With the limitations on budget in today's economic, few companies can
afford money for both. I'd much rather the money be spent on
development. Frankly, if I get another overpriced glossy marketing
packet from Abode when they are cutting staff in product development,
I'm gonna barf.
On Wed,
Ok, I'm now straying into OT area, but I must be the only who liked the idea
of PRODUCT YEAR as a brand. Ie, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000. To me it
was a very clear way to know the release of the version you are using.
This sounds perfect for Rick. Where's dave when we need'em??
:)
With the limitations on budget in today's economic, few companies can
afford money for both. I'd much rather the money be spent on
development. Frankly, if I get another overpriced glossy marketing
packet from Abode when they are cutting staff in product development,
I'm gonna barf.
As someone
Not really...they do what they have been doing...until the final release is
ready call it names like Scorpio.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion?
Of
A Rose by any other name is still a Rose. And so is a turd a turd.
Microsoft is one of the industry kings of rebranding.
ASP -- .NET = still a turd IMHO
Windows nn - Windows nn = still sucks. Although I hear Windows 7 sucks less :)
Only the uninformed fall for the rebranding. The rest can
Windows nn - Windows nn = still sucks. Although I hear Windows 7
sucks less :)
Nah. That's crazy talk.
My belief is Adobe really needs to get into the schools and teach the
new programmers about CF.
Agree 100%. I have a bit of a history with educational systems, and
talking with some of
Of course Adobe does in fact give away ColdFusion free to education for
exactly this reason:
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/
--
WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF
http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/
On 25 June 2010 08:54, Jordan Michaels jor...@viviotech.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jordan Michaels jor...@viviotech.net wrote:
I don't think Adobe should give software away, even to schools (we all
gotta pay the bills, right?) but easing up a little would yield
excellent long-term results (and customers!) IMHO.
ColdFusion, ColdFusion Builder
I knew Adobe had free educational licenses now, my point was more that I think
Adobe really needs to market to the college computer science programs and even
send people in to teach them how to setup and configure ColdFusion for high
performance. Nothing will turn them off of ColdFusion faster
Timestamp them ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:05 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion? [spamtrap
bayes][spamtrap heur]
On 6/22/2010 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
Now there's an
Robert: Adobe does monitor this list and re-branding is definitely a
consideration for our next version. However, defining a new brand takes more
than just changing the name.
-Adam
ColdFusion Product Manager
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Even
I would much rather Abode spent the time and money on improving and
promoting ColdFusion than waste it on the marketing push re-branding
would require.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:
Robert: Adobe does monitor this list and re-branding is
Maureen, can't both be done? They're not mutually exclusive.
Especially when marketing and development are not that dependent on
each other.
- Gabriel
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
I would much rather Abode spent the time and money on improving and
Trivia fact: Macromedia did consider rebranding the product for 6.0,
which as we all know was the first version to be built on Java.
On 22 June 2010 05:39, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Robert Harrison
rob...@austin-williams.com wrote:
Because
On Monday 21 Jun 2010 20:20:11 you wrote:
I don't know if anyone from Adobe monitors this list, but I'm thinking it
may be time to consider rebranding CF.
Sigh. Do we have to have the 'ActionScript Server' argument again too ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to proactively network enterprise
Trivia fact: Macromedia did consider rebranding the product
for 6.0, which as we all know was the first version to be
built on Java.
They sort of did, a little bit, when they added that MX nonsense to the
name.
-Justin
Ok, I'm now straying into OT area, but I must be the only who liked
the idea of PRODUCT YEAR as a brand. Ie, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000. To me it was a very clear way to know the release of the
version you are using.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Justin Scott
Yes you are straying OT, and yes, I agree with you. :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I'm now straying into OT area, but I must be the only who liked
the idea of PRODUCT YEAR as a brand. Ie, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000. To me it was a
The flip side of that is it's also too easy to tell how out of date you are.
:)
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:48 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion?
Ok, I'm now straying into OT
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote:
The flip side of that is it's also too easy to tell how out of date you are.
Which is a great thing I think. Instead of asking why won't this
code work on CF5?, people would be forced to sheepishly ask why
won't
Do we really want Livecycle Application Server?
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http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion
Archive:
I agree with you there Ray...it does delineate it nicely.
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:48 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion?
Ok, I'm now straying into OT area, but I must be the
It works on getting managers to upgrade too!
We're still running CF2000, when CF2009 is already out. We're 9 years
behind everyone else!
Thanks,
Eric Cobb
ECAR Technologies, LLC
http://www.ecartech.com
http://www.cfgears.com
Cameron Childress wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Andy
On 6/22/2010 8:47 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:
Ok, I'm now straying into OT area, but I must be the only who liked
the idea of PRODUCT YEAR as a brand. Ie, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000. To me it was a very clear way to know the release of the
version you are using.
named you kids that
Now there's an idea...at least it would help remembering the year they were
born hehehehe
-Original Message-
From: Paul Hastings [mailto:p...@sustainablegis.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion? [spamtrap
On 6/22/2010 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
Now there's an idea...at least it would help remembering the year they were
born hehehehe
But could get confusing with twins, triplets, etc as well as people who
get really busy and mange to have a birth in the first quarter AND the
forth
Those are service pack releases.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:
On 6/22/2010 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
Now there's an idea...at least it would help remembering the year they were
born hehehehe
But could get confusing with twins, triplets, etc as
Just tag 'em... Ray 1.1, Ray 1.2, Ray 1.3
:o)
-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:05 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion? [spamtrap
bayes][spamtrap heur]
On 6/22/2010 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts
Wait...
Wouldn't that be Ray 2010.1, Ray 2010.2, Ray 2010.3?
:)
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:58 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion? [spamtrap
bayes][spamtrap heur]
Even better! :o)
-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) [mailto:sd1...@att.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:00 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is it time for Adobe to Rebrand Cold Fusion?
Wait...
Wouldn't that be Ray 2010.1, Ray 2010.2, Ray 2010.3?
:)
Steve
I'd suggest taking this discussion to Adobe and their forums, rather
than here, but I would also suggest that when you do so you might want
to not have your suggestions include the words Java or J2EE since
those are trademarks not owned by Adobe.
Judah
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Robert
If Adobe truly wants CF to succeed they should change it's name to ASP.Net
*rimshot*
Honestly I don't think rebranding will do much for it. The greater community
at large looks down on CF and always will no matter what you call it. I love
CF but that's beside the point.
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at
Right now, the way it's branded (and named), the argument is Cold Fusion vs.
.NET.
Why do you say that?
That is a hard argument,
Why do you say that?
but the argument of .NET vs J2EE or Adobe vs. Microsoft is a much easier
argument.
Why do you say that?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be
Right now, the way it's branded (and named), the argument is Cold Fusion
vs. .NET.Why do you say that?
Because the best links I got out of my previous email were at best bleak.
The best link prompted an on-list response that we have 4 years to learn a
new language.
but the argument of
On 6/21/2010 12:44 PM, Robert Harrison wrote:
Because the best links I got out of my previous email were at best bleak.
The best link prompted an on-list response that we have 4 years to learn a
new language.
A) White papers like that can not project more then 5 years out. Heck
even 5
Not to stir the pot any more than it already is, but I wanted to point
out two quick things:
1) That's not Ben Forta's blog you linked to.
2) That article was published 6 years ago.
Carry on
Thanks,
Eric Cobb
ECAR Technologies, LLC
http://www.ecartech.com
http://www.cfgears.com
Because the best links I got out of my previous email were at best bleak.
The best link prompted an on-list response that we have 4 years to learn a
new language.
I don't get where CF vs .NET led to that. The Gartner paper isn't
CF vs .NET. It's an overall forecast on the value and the
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Robert Harrison
rob...@austin-williams.com wrote:
Because the best links I got out of my previous email were at best bleak.
The best link prompted an on-list response that we have 4 years to learn a
new language.
Bear in mind that Microsoft introduced ASP at
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