A good perspective, Dan.
I'll most likely follow that path. I especially agree on the component
aspect of packaged solutions...they tend to work well at first, but as
requirements for functionality grow, code has to be manually tweaked
and I end up writing much of the code myself.
It was that
Rick,
So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to implement
jQuery
and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait for CF 8, see what it
provides,
and then just fill in any remaining gaps with third-party development?
A couple of quick points:
jQuery is more than just AJAX.
Yep, but Apollo as a delivery mechanism and RIA just makes more sense imo.
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I think Flex is a better solution for developing desktop-like
applications that have a requirement of broadband service or
will be focused on internal networks (similar to
client/server apps). For a typical consumer-oriented website
where you need to accommodate for a variety of
Hi Dave,
Flex applications can work pretty well without any more bandwidth than a
typical web application. The big limitation is the requirement of Flash
Player 9, and related to that the inability to run Flex applications without
a standard desktop computer.
I'll try that out with ScrapBlog
Or Apollo. That's the whole point of it; freeing internet technologies
from the restrictions of the browser.
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If you need to build a desktop application, then use
desktop development tools such as MS' suite of .Net tools.
I'm still not convinced
I guess we'll disagree on this. The evolution of libraries
such as jQuery, Dojo YUI! have made development using these
technologies far too easy and with the adoption rates
continuing to climb, I can't call them band-aids. Perhaps
thats what they were when people initially did remote
Why shouldn't we be able to have that sort of power with distributed
multiuser applications? There is no reason, other than inertia, why we
can't.
Who says we don't? The apps that I built back in the early 90's worked
quite well across the Enterprise even before the Internet became
pervasive
HTTP can carry any message that I can imagine, thus it can be the delivery
mechanism for any language to express an RIA. The only argument that makes
sense is that the _browser_ is an inefficient mechanism for delivering RIA as
opposed to Flex.
Regarding Flex, I hate compiling things when
No harm in learning the ins and outs now, as undoubtedly the Adobe
integration will hand feed the developer and when you need to something more
advanced you will be pinging lists asking how (which of course is what lists
are for)
An hour or so would familiarise you with Ajax development to a
Rick Faircloth wrote:
For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.
why not flex?
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Coz it's rubbish :-)
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If by rubbish you mean the most productive way to produce a rich
internet app, then sure, I'm in agreement :-)
Flex and AJAX both have their place and they can both be very uselful
- they can even work with one another using the Flex-AJAX bridge.
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Coz
I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash with every
version that has come out, and I've hated working with the Flash timeline.
It's not that I'm unfamiliar with timelines... I've been using them edit
video
for the past 12 years. I just found the Flash interface to be
Rick,
Neil said it perfectly. Its good to know the ins and outs of Ajax but
more specifically, DOM manipulation. Ajax functionality is a very small
aspect of what everyone regards as Web 2.0-style development and whether
you're using jQuery, Prototype or whatever CF8 provides, you need to
Flex and AJAX both have their place and they can both be very uselful
- they can even work with one another using the Flex-AJAX bridge.
Yep, very true. The only thing that Adobe has not effectively done is
clarify when either technology should be used. I really think that needs
to be
Rick Faircloth wrote:
I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash with every
version that has come out, and I've hated working with the Flash timeline.
the timeline has gone bye-bye as far as flex is concerned.
why I would even consider it. And there also the face that I
Let's not get into the who loves Flex debate :-) I'm not a fan of Flex for
sure, it has it's place but for apps in a browsernah.
Roll on Apollo :-)
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And Rey said it perfectly. The vanilla toucher of Ajax wants it like CFML -
all fluffy like, it's not and you need to learn/know JS to a degree (well
any web developer should know at least the most basic DOM manipulation and
JS).
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Indeed, though as noted, it will be spoon feeding and nothing beats just
knowing what is going on under the hood.
How feature complete/full will Spry be in comparison to other FWs?
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?
Hi, all..
Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
For a few years I've been wanting to
I have a question about that Rey. Will Adobe allow you to specify your
library of choice or will we be force-fed the bloated Spry library?
andy
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From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: A Question for
I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash
with every version that has come out, and I've hated working
with the Flash timeline.
It's not that I'm unfamiliar with timelines... I've been
using them edit video for the past 12 years. I just found
the Flash interface to be
And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.
In your opinion :-)
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And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.
In your opinion :-)
ditto for yours that flex isn't so hot. we've done a lot of 'ajax'
For sure, Flex has some kick ass neat stuff and I can see where it does make
sense (if I look hard enough), but I think that Apollo as an RIA makes more
sense than Flex delivered via the browser.
IMO :-)
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Thanks for the perspective, Jim...
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Of course Flex is one of the primary development platforms for Apollo...
On 4/8/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For sure, Flex has some kick ass neat stuff and I can see where it does make
sense (if I look hard enough), but I think that Apollo as an RIA makes more
sense
And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.
I think Flex is a better solution for developing desktop-like
applications that have a requirement of broadband service
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