Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Alex Sherwood
Dave Watts wrote: >>Just curious if people have managed to pass it without knowing >>anything prior to picking up study guides. Maybe the trick for >>certs is just to know nothing and teach yourself how to pass >>via all the help aids. :) >> >> > >I'm sure some people have done this. I rem

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Dave Watts
> Just curious if people have managed to pass it without knowing > anything prior to picking up study guides. Maybe the trick for > certs is just to know nothing and teach yourself how to pass > via all the help aids. :) I'm sure some people have done this. I remember reading about someone who

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Raymond Camden
If i can't even spell "Ahem", then probably so. ;) -ray On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:28:54 -0600, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think your ego needs to be slapped again. :) > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:25:37 -0600, Raymond Camden > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And do remember that > > e

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
ia.nl - -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 16:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance This thread turned into an anti-cert thread. Are people aware that the Macromedia Certification is NOT the same a

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I think your ego needs to be slapped again. :) On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:25:37 -0600, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And do remember that > even the best coders will do stupid things. Not that I ever do. Aheam. > ~|

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Raymond Camden
This thread turned into an anti-cert thread. Are people aware that the Macromedia Certification is NOT the same as the certification instructors get? As a former instructor (simply didn't have time for it anymore), I can say that Macromedia really, really does work hard to make sure their instruct

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
Application.cfc has decreased performance > From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > And questions are like > What is or does ?: > A: A car > B: A flower > C: A type of applepie > D: A bottle > E: Displays output that can contain the results of processing &g

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
Like I said, Microsoft programming exams, MCSE isn't one of them. Try the developers exams (MCAD/MCSD) once, and you know you'll have to study your butts of. I strongly doubt you can handle these exams by theory only, the difficulty of these exams is high. Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I believe some of the oracle exams are that way as well. I have only looked into one of them, so could not really say one way or the other. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:03:45 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can tell you from personal experience that you might think you kno

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I know people who have done that for the MCSE, ever seen > someone who has done it for the Microsoft DBA one? I know a > few MSSQL people who study their butts off for that one and > still failed it. Just curious if people have managed to pass

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > And questions are like > What is or does ?: > A: A car > B: A flower > C: A type of applepie > D: A bottle > E: Displays output that can contain the results of processing > ColdFusion variables and functions. Can loop over the results > of a d

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I know people who have done that for the MCSE, ever seen someone who has done it for the Microsoft DBA one? I know a few MSSQL people who study their butts off for that one and still failed it. Just curious if people have managed to pass it without knowing anything prior to picking up study guide

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
> From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'd really like to see a seperate Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 > certification that focused on best practices and possibly > some architectural concepts. Ditto. The MM cert exam is sometimes tricky... the answers are not obvious and you often times h

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I hope that is a joke. :) One day I will go take that exam, just always so easy to put off for more important things I have going on. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:52:46 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And questions are like > > What is or does ?: > > A: A car > B: A flower > C:

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Compare it against the difficulty of for example, Microsoft > programming examinations, and you get a whole different > picture of the person behind the test. MS certifications can be a joke as well. I know MANY people who study the tests, buy

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
- -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance I have one, at times, because of things like the example I posted earlier. I see

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Joe Rinehart
I think certifications have value. They establish a baseline of knowledge regarding syntax, familiarity with the language, and some knowledge as to how the language works (the CF exam has some very fun and sometimes tricky questions dealing with evaluation). They should _not_, however, be taken

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
15:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance > From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Really astonished .. certification is a laugh. There are no > real world examples, only what is in the book. Why do you and many others have such a negative

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I have one, at times, because of things like the example I posted earlier. I see someone who at first glance has years of experience, decent little resume, and some certifications. They appear to be knowing what they are doing when you look at it all, but when you weed through the fluff they are

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Really astonished .. certification is a laugh. There are no > real world examples, only what is in the book. Why do you and many others have such a negative attitude towards certifications? ~~

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance O M G. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 10:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance I do not put much value into

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread James Holmes
O M G. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 10:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance I do not put much value into certified anything. I know some people really do have some great skills

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I do not put much value into certified anything. I know some people really do have some great skills and get certified but also know of some people who really do not have a complete grasps of a technology and are certified. Just recently I heard a Coldfsuion(CFMX) Certified developer say somethin

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
ia.nl - -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 14:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance You run into projects where people put a line like that in every single template? I could maybe see i

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
You run into projects where people put a line like that in every single template? I could maybe see in the application.cfm but in every single template? Ugh ... ok ... I need some caffiene now On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:39:05 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean, yes that is what

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-15 Thread Micha Schopman
- -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 11 februari 2005 22:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:46:46 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing people need to kee

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread Sean Corfield
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:46:46 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing people need to keep in mind, is that effectively there will be > no real degrade of performance. You only move logic for checking session > state (and people have been logged in or not) from the template norma

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread Micha Schopman
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 11 februari 2005 9:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:44 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does, on each request > > Application.cfm -> onRequestStart -> onReque

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread James Holmes
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 February 2005 4:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:12:42 +0800, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does CF cache the instantiated component somewhere, or does it have to > re-in

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread Sean Corfield
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:12:42 +0800, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does CF cache the instantiated component somewhere, or does it have to > re-instantiate it for every request? The CFC is instantiated for each request (but the last instantiated CFC for a particular session / application

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread James Holmes
eld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 February 2005 4:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:44 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does, on each request > > Application.cfm -> onRequ

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-11 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:44 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does, on each request > > Application.cfm -> onRequestStart -> onRequest -> index.cfm If you're using onRequest, there is no point in using onRequestStart as well. Of course there's a minor performance overhead - C

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-10 Thread Stavros Tekes
I do not have either debugging enabled or report execution times. Both are off but the delay is there. Furthermore, on the followup that Micha did, I have the impression that on MX7, one can have either Application.cfc or Application.cfm. If both are present only Application.cfc is used. Isnt t

Re: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-10 Thread Dave Carabetta
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:28:36 -0400, Stavros Tekes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have replaced Application.cfm in an old application of mine with > Application.cfc. > > The events set there are OnRequestStart (checking to see if user has logged > in and initializes variables in the

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-10 Thread Micha Schopman
zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 10 februari 2005 15:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Using Application.cfc has de

RE: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-10 Thread Micha Schopman
ia.nl - -Original Message- From: Stavros Tekes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 10 februari 2005 13:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: Using Application.cfc has decreased performance Hi All, I have replaced Application.cfm in an old application of mine with Application.cfc.

Using Application.cfc has decreased performance

2005-02-10 Thread Stavros Tekes
Hi All, I have replaced Application.cfm in an old application of mine with Application.cfc. The events set there are OnRequestStart (checking to see if user has logged in and initializes variables in the request scope) and onRequest (that cfincludes a page according to a URL parameter). I not