I don't think I understand the point you are trying to make. You started
with Apple was going bankrupt and then moved on to Macs being toys and now
you are saying people just perceive Macs to be toys. Yeah, so what?
It does all sound oddly familiar though. CF does scale... err I mean CF is a
toy..
Or ended - you guys are right and I'm wrong, whatever... I think I've
been wasting my own time trying to get a simple point across that
doesn't really even matter. Sorry to have inconvenienced the LIST!
-Ferg
> As Sean suggested, maybe this thread should be moved over to CF-OT or
> CF-Community
I think you guys are a little blinded by emotion or something of the sort. Please listen to me as I state something VERY CLEARLY that I've tried to state several times, but you guys seem to skip right over.
*** I'm not saying that Apple is any less (good/competent/rich/innovative...) than MS or wh
As Sean suggested, maybe this thread should be moved over to CF-OT or
CF-Community.
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st computer was not
built by little children playing with toys.
Dick
> -Ferg
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> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
>
>
> volume automatically adjusts based on the speed of the car
> because of the associated increase in noise. Again, you can
> easily change the volume of the radio yourself, but AAA
> studies show that is the number one cause of accidents.
I must admit that when I had a Ford Focus that did this
> ...several good points...
> If, that is mismanagement, Jobs should teach business management at
> Wharton, or Harvard.
> Their competitors should shoud be so badly managed!
> Dick
Yeah, I agree with you that Jobs is doing a great job right now. I just
like to look into the history of a co
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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
Whoa Matt, I was half-kidding. Like I said, they're still looking for a
guy who can do the job right. Why should people believe that Jobs wasn't
the guy
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
> The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one
day
> they're going to succeed at running that
On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Rick Mason wrote:
> Dick,
>
> Doug Engelbart was the inventor of the mouse. Got the chance to meet
> him around twelve years ago. One of his employees actually coined the
> name mouse.
>
> http://www.invent.org/hall_of_fame/53.html
>
> Rick Mason
>
Yes, that so
e: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:37:56 -0700
Subject: Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Jul 19, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Claude Schneegans wrote:
> The truth now is that all programs "developed for the Mac" are know
> develop
> I feel like I've entered Bizarro World here. Are you honestly saying that
> it's no better to know something before making a decision than not to know
> something, all other things being equal? Have you considered a career in
> politics?
>
No and No, just showing that your argument wasn't sound
On Jul 19, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Claude Schneegans wrote:
> The truth now is that all programs "developed for the Mac" are know
> developed on PCs,... and eventually
> converted for Macs later.
For the majority of programs, you are likely correct.
Except, of course, those Mac-only programs. And,
Monday, July 19, 2004 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
> Do a google search for "The Art of Unix Programming", read
> through the first half of the book, then reflect on your
> statements... While they are not wrong, the int
> In "The Art of Unix Programming", you get an interesting history on WHY
> various OS's are the way they are
It's also horribly misinformed. Though ESR seems to know a good deal about
Unix, his knowledge of other operating system seems to be very shallow. In
particular, some of the statements he
>>People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate,
[snip...] Macs have long had a history of being first
You are exactly contradicting yourself here my friend.
"Mac is better for graphics", "Mac is better for music"... here are the "old information".
This wa
> Do a google search for "The Art of Unix Programming", read
> through the first half of the book, then reflect on your
> statements... While they are not wrong, the intent behind
> them seems misplaced (my personal take on this, though I
> haven't been following the thread).
Can you be more
> People make decisions every day based on current information
> that is also accurate, and the resulting decision is the
> wrong one, too. So, as decision-making methods go, this
> doesn't sound too good.
I feel like I've entered Bizarro World here. Are you honestly saying that
it's no better
On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Ken Ferguson wrote:
> The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one
> day
> they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the
> ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy who can do the job
> right! Jobs, Sculley, S
Do a google search for "The Art of Unix Programming", read through the first half of the book, then reflect on your statements... While they are not wrong, the intent behind them seems misplaced (my personal take on this, though I haven't been following the thread).
In "The Art of Unix Programmin
> The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one day
> they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the
> ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy who can do the job
> right! Jobs, Sculley, Spindler, Amelio, and back to Jobs after Anderson
> had a
> People make decisions every day based on old information that may no
> longer
> be accurate, and the resulting decision is the wrong one, too. So, as
> decision-making methods go, this doesn't sound too good.
>
People make decisions every day based on current information that is also
accurate, a
> It isn't really that hard to figure out. People make
> decisions every day based on old information that may no
> longer be accurate, but the resulting the decision could
> still be.
People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer
be accurate, and the resulting dec
> Macs have long had a history of being first and Windows has had a long
> history of copying everyone else's good ideas. Do I know how each and
every
> feature in Mac OS X compares with Windows 2003? No, because at a high
level
> it is obvious where the innovation is. Longhorn sounds like it wi
> How informed can your decision possibly be, if you recommend one product
> over another based on features found in both?
>
It isn't really that hard to figure out. People make decisions every day
based on old information that may no longer be accurate, but the resulting
the decision could still
> In reality, I know enough to make an informed decision.
You might be a savvy buyer, but you're a lousy salesman.
How informed can your decision possibly be, if you recommend one product
over another based on features found in both?
I have no problem with you saying that one product works bette
> There's no need to explain; I was simply having some fun at your expense.
> Seriously, though, if you're going to assert the superiority of OS X, it
> would be to your benefit to know more about the current versions of
> Windows.
>
In a perfect world I would know everything about everything, so
> I am not qualified to admin Windows boxes, but then neither
> are most MCSEs either. I was aware that I could run services
> as different users, but I wasn't aware that I could get a
> command-line as a different user using runas.
There's no need to explain; I was simply having some fun at yo
Dave Watts wrote:
>> SFU is next to useless: you are not allowed to redistribute
>> it.
>
> Why does that make it useless?
According to Microsoft it is intended to help people port
applications to Windows. That by itself works very nicely (for
instance a PostgreSQL port to Windows was done in
> SFU is next to useless: you are not allowed to redistribute
> it.
Why does that make it useless? There are lots of things that provide utility
to me, that I can't redistribute myself. I can, however, redistribute the
link to it:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp
Dave
Dave Watts wrote:
>
> The Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit comes with a native tail utility. And,
> I have Cygwin installed. However, there are plenty of alternatives out there
> for Windows that aren't Cygwin-based. I'll bet there's a tail in MS's
> Services for Unix package, which I think is fre
> No problem, but are you sure you're qualified to admin Windows boxes if
> you
> didn't know how to run something as a different user? That's a pretty
> basic
> thing, you know!
>
I am not qualified to admin Windows boxes, but then neither are most MCSEs
either. I was aware that I could run servi
> My suggestion would be to buy a Mac and use Mac OS X for your
> everyday stuff. You can also install Linux on it and use UML
> (remember, context!) for various server related tasks.
So, I'd have to boot out of OS X to run Linux, so I can run User-Mode Linux?
How will that help me run Windows V
Amen to that! Can we please end all this 'Mac is the greatest thing since sliced bread' propaganda that seems to be more and more prevalent on this list. If you prefer to use a Mac, more power to you. Heck, I used them for years (but never again). But this is a CF list, not a Macintosh evangelism l
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| Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 02:43
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
|
| > So what advice are you giving me, exactly?
| >
| My suggestion would be to buy a Mac and use Mac OS X for your
| everyday stuff. You can also install Linux o
>>We are most commonly called: MacFannies or OSXists.
Then we should call an exOSXists| ;-)
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> So what advice are you giving me, exactly?
>
My suggestion would be to buy a Mac and use Mac OS X for your everyday
stuff. You can also install Linux on it and use UML (remember, context!) for
various server related tasks. Expose is a pretty killer feature and let's
not forget all those cool Uni
> As you might guess, User Mode Linux is just for Linux; not
> x86. Further, you might want to avoid using UML to mean User
> Mode Linux since UML means quite a different thing in the
> development world.
Context is everything, you know! It's pretty clear what it means within the
context of thi
On Jul 18, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> I apologize in advance to any Jehovah's Witnesses on the list - I'm
> just
> kidding. You folks aren't as bad as Mac fanatics.
>
We are most commonly called: MacFannies or OSXists.
For the record, I am not a switcher -- only computers I eve
> Matt, are you being paid by commission?
>
No, but feel free to make a donation in my name to your favorite company
that isn't a monopoly.
> Why is it, when people switch to Macs, they often become fanatics and try
> to
> convince everyone else to switch too? You people are as bad as ex-smokers,
> While you're getting the new laptop you might need to change the OS
> as well.
Matt, are you being paid by commission?
Why is it, when people switch to Macs, they often become fanatics and try to
convince everyone else to switch too? You people are as bad as ex-smokers,
and rapidly approaching
x27;ve given it 256 meg and the WebSphere box just isn't happy with less
than 512. The OS itself protects around 300-400 meg of RAM (at least
Windows 2003 does) so the more RAM the better!
Jim Davis
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:38 AM
To: C
> On my laptop, I hit a wall at two concurrent VMs, and each of those has to
> be pretty bare-bones even for that. That's why I want to get a new laptop!
> Each VM requires a significant amount of memory, and running them
> concurrently taxes the CPU significantly too.
>
While you're getting the n
> So, NT4 (and other older systems) are treated as legacy systems.
Yes, that's MS's plan, I think.
> Are there any viri that recognize that they are running under
> emulation and attack out of the bounds of the VM?
There's one that doesn't run correctly within a VM as of last week,
according to
On Jul 18, 2004, at 7:02 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> > Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what
> > I've heard, not so much for Mac emulation of PCs, but for PC
> emulation
> > of multiple PCs (the old IBM ploy -- If somebody is going to take
> away
> > some of our busin
On Jul 17, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> I'm doing all of my development now off a dual [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 1,5 gig
> of RAM
> running Windows 2003 and the Virtual Server Beta. With that much RAM
> I can
> easily run 5 or 6 moderately configured Windows 2000 Servers with
> ColdFus
> - Virtual PC's networking seems to work much better - setting up a VM
> as a computer on your network and getting internet access etc seems to
> work almost automatically. VMWare installs a networking driver on the
> host machine for this which I've found sometimes interferes with other
> network
> Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what
> I've heard, not so much for Mac emulation of PCs, but for PC emulation
> of multiple PCs (the old IBM ploy -- If somebody is going to take away
> some of our business, it might as well be us!)
Yes, that's the impression I ha
04 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:11:48 -0400, Jim Davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they
> work: they both (VMWare and VPC) do a damn, dam
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:11:48 -0400, Jim Davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they
> work: they both (VMWare and VPC) do a damn, damn fine job.
I've used both quite a bit too, and the main differences I've found are:
- Virtual PC
I've used both and I use VirtualPC exclusively now - not for any real
reason, it just worked out that way. Also I'm on the beta for MS Virtual
Server and the VMs are compatible across the products.
>From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they
work: they both (VMWar
On Jul 17, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
> VMware is about $400 or so, and worth every penny.
>
Dave You mention the above and in a later post that you are using
VMWare more and more.
Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what I've
heard, not so much for Mac em
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