Just asking, but would this not go under cf-community?
Because servers running CF5 and BlueDragon are a ColdFusion-related topic?
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, August 16, 2005 12:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon
http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm
]
Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 10:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://blog.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://invite.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
-Original
'.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Right. And where is that inconsistent with anything that was said in any of
the other references I gave? When did I or anyone at New
-
-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 10:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
thanks!
I'm not against you Vince, sorry if I came off that way.
I just remembered some comments I saw about why or why not
you weren't responding to the questions and had forgotten
until I saw your name today, so I thought I would repost
On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here are
some quotes, starting with the original press release:
MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and
reliability...
New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest
ColdFusion-based
-
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 12:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
What about:
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist.
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited
room all week.
to task for such things as well from
my memory.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
What's wrong with that statement? They do run BlueDragon, and I never see
them mentioning
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of
those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get
BD.net?
On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
I agree They are just saying (in my opinion): Hey, we've decided
to use this..
Yves
On 8/16/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about:
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist.
'Hear MySPace.com
16, 2005 8:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
What about:
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist.
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from
-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those
pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get BD.net?
On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I think I covered this in my response earlier.
Stating myspace is on BD, implies that all of it is, or even at the very
least, most of it is.
But the truth is that most of myspace is on CF5.
Thus the appearance of being misleading in the marketing speak.
And actually
Don't forget the t-shirt hanging in my closet...
The #1 CFMX Website is Powered by BlueDragon
The seem to have forgotten the asterisk with the kinda, sorta,
patially, maybe someday all the way note at the bottom. :)
The skirmish does seem to come down to matter of marketing vs
reality...with
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Actually, the banner says
The #1 CFML Website is powered by Blue Dragon
Not
The #1 CFML Website runs Blue Dragon
Or
The #1 CFML Website uses Blue Dragon
Just a clarification.
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL
uses Blue Dragon
Just a clarification.
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
What about:
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML
:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Not at all.
According to my understanding of Vince's description they are migrating
entire applications at a time. So according to that and the description
of
an application (app.myspace.com), it stands to reason that each app is
either all CF5 or all BD
production environment!
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those
pages and get CF 5.0, I may
On 8/16/05, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My car is powered by Diesel. ... it does use oil though, and has some
fluids for the window washers, etc. ;)
Poor comparison. Your car will run without windshielkd washer fluid. And
while there are other thigs that are needed for an engien
pool).
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM
Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
-Original Message-
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Hm... I thought I
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated an
entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in the
melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes
2005 14:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I based my understanding on this
Hi Scott,
The MySpace server cluster is segregated into application pools. There
are
just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If
you
go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs
: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
If they need 15 server to handle a mail application then there must be
something terribly wrong. There are comparable sites which ran their
entire non cached site on 15 servers with relatively same amount of
hits
Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 14:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Micha,
Wouldn't that depend on a lot of variables? what kind of servers, what
are
the resources, how are they configured, hot spares etc.? It takes 5
metros
to haul
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
showing a typical, classic CF5.0 error. In BD
It seems to be very good publicity for Macromedia (CF5 doing a great job on
a very high traffic site) and also for BD.NET http://BD.NET (very high
traffic site have decided to migrate to BD.NET http://BD.NET (not without
some benchmarking and testing one assumes).
Everyone happy now? :-)
On
-From Scott -
I think the problem people are having (me included) is that you make comments
like 'MySPace is running BD.NET', without qualifying that the migration is in
progress and that, by your own admission, is running on a minority of servers,
until someone calls you out or speaks
Daniel Ganter wrote:
-From Scott -
One has to wonder, why all the chest thumping?
If I managed to convince a major internet dotcom to switch platforms,
I'd be thumping my chest as well. Its a big win for them and they're
proud of the fact that MySpace believe's in their product.
The
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on
BD.NEThttp://BD.NET,
so how can MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New
Atlanta Sales team? Once the site has migrated and (if)the issues MySpace
was seeing are resolved, then it can be a true 'success story', and I
-- Scott Stroz wrote --
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on BD.NET, so how can
MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New Atlanta Sales team?
Once the site has migrated and (if) the issues MySpace was seeing are resolved,
then it can be a true 'success
: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
-- Scott Stroz wrote --
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on BD.NET, so how can
MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New Atlanta Sales team?
Once the site has migrated
Dan,
The first time I heard anyone from New Atlanta admit that MySpace was not
completely migrated to BD.NET http://BD.NET was when Vince posted a
comment here http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116.
Only after someone pointed out that MySpace was still getting errors
So what happens to mySpace if Adobe doesn't have the same view of New
Atlanta as MM did?
-Adam
On 8/16/05, Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan,
The first time I heard anyone from New Atlanta admit that MySpace was not
completely migrated to BD.NET http://BD.NET was when Vince posted a
Forgive me for jumping in and knocking some sense into this thread ;-)
People promoting their own stuff put a spin on it in their favour PERIOD
I'm not saying anyone at New Atlanta is trying to deceive anyonethis is
a general point I'm trying to make...I could personally care less who
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's Bluedragon.NET.
#2 - MySpace.com is powered by Macromedia Coldfusion.
It would appear that both statements are 100% true.
Now consider the following statement, which
People. The debate over what percentage of myspace has to be running on bd.net
to be considered running bd.net is a debate that really does not belong here.
Please move it to CF-OT.
The question of what's needed to run a large site is quite valid and should be
a seperate thread. The question of
Bryan is right. You can't really blame NA for creatively describing
thier situation with mySpace. Afterall, NA is in the top 1% of all US
companies.
However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
has provided
My response to this has been posted to CF-OT and I'd appreciate people
posting there. Thank you.
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's Bluedragon.NET.
#2 - MySpace.com is powered by Macromedia
However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
has provided a ColdFusion alternative, to a company whose sole purpose
is to bash Macromedia and publicy criticise all thier products.
-Adam
I wasn't at
Adrocknaphobia wrote:
However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
has provided a ColdFusion alternative, to a company whose sole purpose
is to bash Macromedia and publicy criticise all thier products.
Best post yet!
Rey..
Rick Root wrote:
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's Bluedragon.NET.
#2 - MySpace.com is powered by Macromedia Coldfusion.
It would appear that both statements are 100%
: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
My response to this has been posted to CF-OT and I'd appreciate people
posting there. Thank you.
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's
Here here
(thump thump thump)...
Yves
On 8/16/05, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's Bluedragon.NET.
#2 - MySpace.com is powered by Macromedia Coldfusion.
Burns, John D wrote:
If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the
CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since it
is CF related and could influence the decision to use New Atlanta
products.
Actually, I would thing that's exactly the kind of
]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Burns, John D wrote:
If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the
CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since
it is CF related and could influence the decision
On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disagree, I think cf-community is too chock full of unrelated stuff to be
useful to subscribe to for some busy professionals who would have an
interest in a conversation about technology that is ColdFusion related...
but CF-Talk is supposed to
Vince,
I am in no way trying to biff you or anything but I have yet to see any sort
of responce to the questions about MySpace and their use of BlueDragon after we
were told that it was alreay running BG but they really weren't.
I know there were quite a few people on here that were waiting
MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
announcement. Why would you think otherwise?
Vince
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: bg myspace
Vince,
I am in no way trying
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace
still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B39932484397145
MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
announcement. Why would you think otherwise?
Dinowitz)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:25 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: bg myspace
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace
still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B39932484397145
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean
about Myspace still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do
appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom
and abuse at the same time.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:25 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: bg myspace
I believe that Dave
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean
about Myspace still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CA
B-F397-B096-2B39932484397145
MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
to BD.NET is complete when these problems
go away.
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running
: bg myspace
I think this is the relevant part:
That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to
take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems
you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded
to BD.NET. You'll know
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bg myspace
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean
about Myspace still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do
: bg myspace
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
showing a typical, classic CF5.0 error. In BD, the error messages are like
nuclear red/orange/yellow or something. Until this error screen kicks the
bw, I'm forced to doubt MySpace's switch somewhat
-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I think this is the relevant part:
That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running
CF5--it's going to take several weeks (months, maybe) to
convert the entire site. The problems you're seeing are due
to CF5 and are the reason the site it being
No one from New Atlanta ever said that. The only people who say we said that
are people who wish to discredit us.
Vince
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I think people were upset
No one from New Atlanta ever said that. The only people who say we said that
are people who wish to discredit us.
Vince
But we do thank them all for keeping this landmark achievement in the thoughts
of the greater CFML community.
Living well is the best revenge.
Dan
a site that's even 1% the size of MySpace).
Vince
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I think people were upset because it was said that myspace
had been completely running on bd
don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time.
From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:57 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: bg myspace
a few pages here
of MySpace).
Vince
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
I think people were upset because it was said that myspace
had been completely running on bd for several months and that
was taken
question?
Vince
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: bg myspace
yeah a few pages here and there and your answer, well wasnt an answer.
my ? refered to what sections it was, i see 1 page running
it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time.
From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:24 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: bg myspace
OK, sorry, I'll try to tone down the huffy, puffy part.
The pages
Vince,
As I noted on Diug Hughes' blog (
http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116), as someone
who sat through the keynote at CFUNITED, I came away with the distinct
impression that MySPace was runnign BD.NET http://BD.NET already. Nor was
anything done or said to cull
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon
http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://browseusers.myspace.com/ - ASP.NET
Just asking, but would this not go under cf-community?
- Original Message -
From: Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: bg myspace
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com
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