At the risk of being on both sides of an issue, it this case XUL vs
Flash, here's an interesting quote:
"The open source revolution has done nothing to change the fact that
the best-designed, most-intuitive user interfaces are found in
closed-source commercial software."
This comes form a comm
There y'go Dave, being logical & practical!
We do need to remember who lost the browser wars :)
There is a tradeoff, however.
Flash can do somethings (the smackdown at Fig Leaf comes to mind) that
would be difficult with XUL.
But for the kinds of things I normally do, Flash is a little heavy,
I'm not sure how far it's gotten, but there is the XRE: XUL Runtime
Environment, so you can have standalone apps without bundling (or
requiring) Mozilla.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/xre.html
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Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Apr 6, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> Except for
> > XUL is platform independent -- anywhere Mozilla runs, XUL
> > runs
>
> potent stuff isnt it? Kinda makes you rethink application
> design and chucks out the window the need to learn flash to
> make a ria.
Except for the fact that very few people use Mozilla. I use it, and like it,
but if I
nt: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:31 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: desktop application
>
> I have been googling and playing with XUL for several hours and I am
> impressed with what it (you) can do.
>
> XUL has been out there for a while --- guess I just missed it.
>
>
potent stuff isnt it? Kinda makes you rethink application design and chucks
out the window the need to learn flash to make a ria.
DRE
-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
I
local programs and scripts in
C++, Python, Ruby and Perl, with PHP coming -- these are
programs/scripts running on the local machine
So, I guess it is possible, today, to write a desktop application to
meet the objectives of the originator of this thread:
You can easily write an XUL app that:
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> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: desktop application
>
> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 20:27, Jim Davis wrote:
> > Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
> > masdn.microsoft.com and choose &
: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 20:27, Jim Davis wrote:
> Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
> masdn.microsoft.com and choose "library", then choose "Web Technologies"
> then "HTA"). I've
Yeah, this looks good --- except it is windows only.
The original poster wanted something for the Mac, too.
Dick
On Apr 5, 2004, at 1:24 AM, Arden Weiss wrote:
> If you want to stick with a flavor of CFML, there is a budding product
> out of Toronto called CORAL that permits building CFML-base
If you want to stick with a flavor of CFML, there is a budding product out of Toronto called CORAL that permits building CFML-based apps on a local machine just like you would build a VB or whatever app locally and use whatever backend database you want. For more details go to:
http://www.pcaonline
Dave Watts wrote:
> > > ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
> > >
> > ~cough~ bluedragon
> > Thats what CFAnywhere became.
>
> CFAnywhere was a product of Live Software, the makers of Jrun, who were
> purchased by Allaire.
Yeah - remember now - getting tagservlet and cfanywhere mixed
> Unfortuately doesn't really help John with a cross-platform
> desktop application. Yeah I know it should run everywhere,
> but nothing is ever quite that simple and in this instance
> cf/php/etc are all a little on the heavy side. Mini flash app
> should be more than
> > ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
> >
> ~cough~ bluedragon
> Thats what CFAnywhere became.
CFAnywhere was a product of Live Software, the makers of Jrun, who were
purchased by Allaire.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
phone: 202-797-5496
fax: 202-797-54
won't use
windows unless there is no other alternative,
IMO, there is just no comparison (no flames please -- I said IMO)
The original post is below.
HTH
Dick
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: desktop applic
Don't think so... but I'm sure he could use Virtual PC?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/applications/virtualpc/
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Sat, 200
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:00, Brad Roberts wrote:
> Re-posting Steve Nelson's suggestion:
>
> ... CFML on the desktop... http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/index.cfm ...Looks
> pretty powerful
I though he said it needed to run on Mac. Does that run on Mac?
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Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Todays Threads
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>From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:02 PM
> To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: desktop application
>
>Unless I am mistaken, the company that made cfAnywhere was
> purchased by
>Allaire & cfAnywhare beca
already) and charge for it to boot!
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: SOT: desktop application
>
> I have a question about what the best practice would be f
L Browser as a front end and UI. Or, I can
use a RIA with Flash or Robs PIA front end.
When you do web development and testing on a single machine, as I do,
every CF application is a desktop application.
Some apps I write, never go beyond localhost -- these in effect, are
desktop only CF app
can
use a RIA with Flash or Robs PIA front end.
When you do web development and testing on a single machine, as I do,
every CF application is a desktop application.
Some apps I write, never go beyond localhost -- these in effect, are
desktop only CF apps.
But more often than not, I need t
Dick Applebaum wrote:
> ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
>
~cough~ bluedragon
Thats what CFAnywhere became. Plus you're showing your age now Dick.. ;)
Unfortuately doesn't really help John with a cross-platform desktop
application. Yeah I know it should run
rom: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: desktop application
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some different bands, and they
all have an e-mail sign-u
Ooops - my bad. I don't think so. even if it did the system objects that
make it truly useful wouldn't be there.
But for Windows it's still sweet. ;^)
Jim Davis
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From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desk
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 20:27, Jim Davis wrote:
> Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
> masdn.microsoft.com and choose "library", then choose "Web Technologies"
> then "HTA"). I've been using it recently and it's pretty sweet.
I think he said it has to work on Mac. Do
n D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: desktop application
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some different bands, and they
all have an e-mail sign-up on their web
;m assuming the "writetodisk"
command is something that only is supposed in the windows version of
flash. Just thought I'd share.
John
-Original Message-
From: Darron J. Schall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop applicat
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOLVED: desktop application
The SOs will not solve you "phone home" issue though ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOLVED: desktop application
The SOs will not solve you "phone home" issue though ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.
FML on the desktop. Looks pretty powerful.
>
> Steve Nelson
>
>_
>
> From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: SOT: desktop application
>
> I have a question about what the best prac
> No, I understand how to get from XML to the DB, but if the Flash file is
> running directly on a client machine (CF not installed and no internet
> connection) how do I get Flash to write the input to a text or xml file
> for upload later?
You can't get Flash to save a .txt file on the client on
t: Friday, April 2, 2004 08:49 PM
> To: 'CF-Talk'
> Subject: Re: desktop application
>
> The client machine will HAVE TO connect to the net for this to happen. It can detect the connection...when it does it can call a remote web service to "suck the data out of the XML
.com
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From: brobborb
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: desktop application
Wait, are these computers connected to the server
macromedia.com
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From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
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Subject: SOLVED: d
omedia Associate Partner
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To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:39 PM
Subj
Wait, are these computers connected to the server, or not?
- Original Message -
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: desktop application
I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but then I would have no way of
writin
Adam's suggestion was perfect. Flash SharedObject in MX does exactly
what I needed. Thanks to everyone who chimed in.
John Burns
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
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2004 12:41 PM
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"suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB"
Bryan, your getting way too technical man. I'm having trouble following all
of this high tech terminology! ;)
Brook
At 12:04 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote:
>Yep you cou
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From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: desktop application
Ok, but how do I actually write to that xml file? I know flash can
read, but is there a method for writing to an xml
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
"suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB"
Bryan, your getting way too technical man. I'm having trouble following
all
of this high tech terminology! ;)
Brook
er & Director
>www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Burns, John D
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:58 AM
> Subject: SOT: desktop application
>
> I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
> des
iday, April 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: desktop application
>
> Yep you could build a standalone Flash app that runs as a projector
> (.exe file on computer in question). The app could store the
> registrations in an XML filelater you can suck the data ou
rb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
why not just design it in IE, have it fill up the whole screen, use some
flash elements to make it looks flashy or nice or whatever, but use
regular ol' HTML forms
- O
Ok, but how do I actually write to that xml file? I know flash can
read, but is there a method for writing to an xml file?
John Burns
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
, April 02, 2004 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: desktop application
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some different bands, and they
all have an e-mail sign-up on their website. Most of them also have
some kind of a pap
sktop application
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some different bands, and they
all have an e-mail sign-up on their website. Most of them also have
some kind of a paper sign-up at concerts for people to sign u
Director
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- Original Message -
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: SOT: desktop application
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some d
I have a question about what the best practice would be for creating a
desktop application. I do websites for some different bands, and they
all have an e-mail sign-up on their website. Most of them also have
some kind of a paper sign-up at concerts for people to sign up for the
email list. I
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