Hi Russ,
I have not. However, if you do not get answer here, you may want to try
posting it on Team Chevelle probably under Body Shop.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Russ Miesner"
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:04:56 PM
Subject: [Cheve
I still look at "The List" , but it's been quite slow and probably 4 -5 years
ago got into Team Chevelle - like Brad said it is forum style with certain
catalogories I typically look at daily and participate in. I do have binders
filled with "back in the day" Chevelle list discussions though.
It's just not the Automotive Unions, it's every union that "wants a piece of
the pie". What employer can you go to - demand a certain wage, demand a
certain pay increase of X years, dictate what you will pay for insurance and
negotiate until you get want you think is still fair and get a gaur
Hang in there until the next "mailman-owner" is emailed to you - and don't
delete it as it is your file info that has your unsubcribe info in it. No
one, can do it for you - although some claime the Craft-O-Matic usually works.
- Original Message -
From: dben842...@aol.com
To: chev
- Original Message -
From: dben842...@aol.com
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:43:41 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Turbo Transmission explained
Please take me off your mailing list, I have not had a Chevelle for about 4
y
Every first of the month you have received a "mailman-owner" email from the
Chevelle List adminstrator which has all your set up information which includes
how to unsubcribe. It's a "you subcribed" - "you have to unsubscribe" - no can
do it for you.
In the meantime enjoy the banter.
-Krist
Any lubricant recommendations on front / rear parking brake cables. I plan on
using "Lubriplate" brake lube on the cable that is exposed, but would like to
get some kind of lubricant through the whole cable.
Thanks in advance.
-Krister
Pete,
Does the solenoid on the starter click ( assuming solenoid was not relocated)?
Tap the solenoid a few times with plastic end of a screw driver in the event it
is hung up. If you starter is correct for the car - you can get them rebuilt
from $55 - $85. Check that you have a good co
Keep in mind that if you paid via credit card and the place of business is not
willing to work with you, you can get the credit card company involved and the
business will be more likely to help you. Did this only once years ago at
Simpicity lawn tractor dealer. Asked them to do a complete r
X2 Try Mustang.net
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Pruett"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:21:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Test
Agreed!
If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy
Rich - I'm over here.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Pruett"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 3:21:51 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Test
Is there anybody out there?
Just think, if it weren't for marriage, men
A lot depends on the driving conditions and weather. Being in the Chicago area
we get all weather conditions. When my wife needed new tires for our van I
went to Costco and they recommended Michelin HydroEdges. Great dry weather
handling, unbelivable in wet weather - like you are on dry pav
I second what Leo said about Costco. Just had 4 new Hydroedges installed this
weekend. They started using Nitrogen probably 1.5 years ago - no extra charge.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Leo John Costigan"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009
I got an email from John - that he has been putting some long hours in with
another job and got a little behind on shipments. And agree - John has always
been a fair guy!
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Pruett"
To: "dennis mcgillis" , "The Chevelle
Mailing List"
Se
This is his new website, but people have placed orders on it, paid through
Paypal (which maybe there is some recourse), but have not received there
merchandise after several weeks and no means of contacting him to check on the
status.
John has always seemed to be a good guy.
-Krister
Looking for John Nasta or contact info.
John a guy on Team Chevelle was doing business with Old Car Network and needs
to contact you. Don't want to see any bad exposure for you.
Thanks,
-Krister
Thank you Dale,
You confirmed my thinking and will continue looking for one at least a week or
2 earlier.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Dale"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:58:08 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [C
OK I know the rule of thumb that engine components could be dated up to 3
months prior to engine build date. I am looking for a date correct water pump.
My stamped engine assembly date is 5/18. I've located a water pump dated
5/19/66. Were the water pumps put on at the time of engine assembly o
Rich,
Just send message that you want to be taken off the list, but don't know how.
That will get things going :)
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Pruett"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:58:35 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subje
I believe Larry's point was that a 1959 Chevrolet was sacrificed to make the
video, just like Hollywood does from time to time. Granted it probably was not
fine restored vehicle, but never the less something someone could have used and
saved.
We argue all day about frames and steel gauge'
If you are in the Western burbs of Chicago. I'd like to invite you to a
Classic Car and Truck Show this Friday night 9/25. I have been coordinating
this since May and have collected over $6K of merchandise, samples and gift
cards to be given away plus trophies. This is a no charge event and
Derek,
Did somebody on the list here pay you to sign up and then want to be removed?
It always gets things going again!
- Original Message -
From: "Derek 10-96"
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:41:43 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject:
Works great - suggestions below are right on. I t was recommeded to me to put
a plastic bag accross the top on the can to help seal it, but it prevented the
lid from sealing tight. The key is to have where the lid fits the can rim
completely free of the product - otherwise the lid will fore
Could be related to Al at Team Chevelle handing over the reins after so many
years of service.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: harkema...@aol.com
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:27:14 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Chevelle-list] the
Hej Pelle,
I have 11 year old boy/girl twins (they were 4 in the picture I submited to
your site). It gets better after potty training, then a few years of easier
going, then starts elctronic games, cell phones and some testing the waters
with attitude. I am surwe there is a lot for in f
Hey, we can be part of the GM bailout plan at $50 a pop. Did get mine a few
years ago, free was good and $5 - $10 seems resonable, but not $50.
-Krister
- Original Message -
From: "Trooper"
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:19:55 AM GMT -06:00
My twins named our '66 SS "Chevellie"
> Melanie Lopez wrote:
> > I think we like to refer to them as female because they are so
> > beautiful (NOT temperamental ). While we are on the subject, I've been
> > trying to come up with a fitting name for our beautiful girl. I want
> > something tha
I turn stuff like this into art for the garage/shop. If it is framable size,
cut a side off the box and frame it. If the are bunch of small similar size -
create your intials or year of your car with them and hang it up.
Krister
'66 SS #'s L34
-- Original message --
Fr
I've done it again - disassembled and thought I would remember. Can someone
confirm the wiring on the tabs of a '66 horn relay. I have a single black wire
connector and a pair of greens on a single connector (green to horns) With the
horn relay mounted on the radiator support - there are 3 con
OK, I have to come clean and yes I tried to disguise April Fools Day in the
name. Last year my kids called me at work saying my wife put the Chevelle at
the end of the drive with a "For Sale" sign in it.
Happy April Fools Day!
Krister
'66 SS L34 #'s
-- Original message ---
Please take me off your forum list - I get way to many emails and it's slowing
down the computer I use for school.
April Dupenson
Mike, Do you have a number for the Pontiac information you are talking about?
I have a '62 Catalina my Grandpa gave me 25 years ago.
Thanks,
Krister
'66 SS L34 #'s
-- Original message --
From: "Mike Holleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dale, The PHS documents the vehicle. Yo
I have never had the opportunity to buy from OPG, because when I have called
them, they never have the item instock. They explained they will ship items as
they come in and pro rate shipping based on what the total would be to ship all
items at once. Not worth the hassel. NPD and GU have been
As mentioned already: knee knocker was only used in '66, 3 redlines were
available depending on engine and Repros offered are decent. My addition is
that the '66 Chevelle Assembly Manual has the exact location on the lower dash
and hole to drill for mounting the tach.
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'
Howard Howard Howard, we just got done talking about this a week ago and to
top it off in 11/1 the adminstrator sent everyone an email as done each month
with instructions. The email started like this:
This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your chevelles.net
mailing list memberships
Are the new lines stainless - stainless is sometimes harder to get to seat.
Ran into this with both brakelines and fuel lines.
Krister
'66 #'s L34
-- Original message --
From: "Jim Buckingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Just when I thought they were working, I found a puddle
Like it has been said - it is a great group. Just don't ever leave asking us
to take you off the list - there are instructions to do so from the
adminstrator and then we have our own Craft-O-Matic rules.
Krister
'SS #'s L34
-- Original message --
From: SteveZL1 <[EMAIL
I am looking for a Delco Remy starter P/N 1107365 date coded between 6 C 1 and
6 E 11, closer to the later the better. Can be rebuilt or rebuildable. Anyone
have one or know of a source? Application = '66 Chevelle 396
Thank you,
Krister Meister
'66 #'s L34
Like already said, the musty smell permeates everything - carpet, pad, seat
foam, headliner - anything that is fabric. I have never tried it, but have
heard many times that truckers use open cans of coffee grounds to absorb oders
from trailers that carried food products. Short of replacing int
Let me add to the "never, never" - kids bubbles. My dad has a '33 Nash,
lacquer with Carnuba wax. We used it for family weddings and at one wedding
instead of rice/birdseed everyone got small bottles of bubbles. The bubbles
that landed on the car left a discoloration that required a termendo
Salserandillard,
How long have you been on the List?
-- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
please remove my email address from your list.
See what's free at AOL.com.
I started my Chevelle for the first time this weekend since 5 months winter
storage. I noticed a strange exhaust sound at idle coming out the left side
pipe that was not noticed last fall. It is random sometimes 3 in a row
followed by a couple several seconds apart The sound sounds like tuft
I installed a Pertronix Ignitor II. Can a hotter plug be used and or the gap
changed benefits to this? Currently using stock plugs per manual at 35 gap.
No racing just cruise driving.
Thank you,
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
I am replacing a leaking thermostat gasket and will replace thermostat while
apart. Currently it has a 195* and works fine holding temp a 195*. Autoparts
store suggested to put a 180* to run it a little cooler. Good, Bad or
Indifferent?
Secondly: I have read in the past about drilling an
I plan on installing a Pertronix Ignitor II with their Flame Thrower coil this
week end and have a few questions:
I will need to install 1 or 2 shims above the distributor gear:
Is the easiest way to remove the set pin holding the gear to the shaft by
taping out pin with the same size round pun
I removed the boot and a multi fiber material (looked like a dozen + fiber
threads) was crimped over by the metal end of the wire. Leads me to believe it
is not a solid wire - sound about right?
Krister
-- Original message --
From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do they me
Is there an easy way to determine a spark plug wire type? I will be installing
a Pertronix electronic ignition soon and it said not to use with solid spark
plug wires. The set on the car was installed by a previous owner and printed
on them is Belden High Temperature 7mm.
Thank you,
Krister
Question 1:
I just installed a completely rebuilt Holley 4160 (List 3419 which is correct
and stock for my application). My only problem is the secondary bowl fills
totally to the top with fuel. I removed the bowl; float is free and closes the
fuel seat when raised to level position. 2nd test
Out of good habit, I check the brake fluid level before each years first ride.
I have a single brake cylinder and when I pulled the cover off a small portion
of the center section (smallest out of the multiple circle sections) was
dropped down. The diaphragm has no leaks and fluid level was
ABS question: Stopping our 98 Pontiac Montana on hard packed snow last night at
a stable my daughter rides at it felt like the wheels just locked up when I
went to stop and the brake peddle never pulsated. Tested it several times with
my wife watching and the wheels just locked and slide to a
Chuck,
We can help you, but need to know when and how you got onto the list?
Krister
'66 SS #'s
-- Original message --
From: "chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PLEASE TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST THANKS
I have read my '66 Chevrolet Service Manual on fuel pump replacement - but
still have questions as I have not replaced one on a BB before. Looking for
step by steps if someone has them and the do's and don't's. Need to replace
the current '67 stock pump with a stock 66 pump so my stock fuel li
Thank for the responses and they give me a good idea of options when it comes
to rebuilding. My hope is that it does not call for a rebore and basic wall
clean up will be all it needs.
As far as engine condition. I have not done a leak test, but plan on doing a
compression on it myself.
I am curious on much can a 396 block be bored over? Not knowing how much my
numbers 396 has been bored in the past - I am hoping there is still one more
cut in order to true up the walls for new rings / pistons on a future rebuild.
Thanks,
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
Friend of mine called and was stumped on the the car acronym for Dodge, I
couldn't remember either ie.
FORD Fix Or Repair Daily. Thanks as I know this will start a good list beyond
what I asked for.
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
Trooper,
It works out real well. Because it is attached to my garage 1/3 of my basement is taxed at a garage rate. I wanted floor drains in this portion, but the building dept would not approve it unless I installed a triple basin system with pump that would run around 3K back in 1990 - wasn't
I put a "BatteryMinder" on the battery, slide soup cans over the exhaust pipes (steel wool stuffed in the end works too) to keep unexpected mice out. Mouse proof! and everyone has opinions on what works best. I remove any source of food/water and set a few traps. Cover car if it is in a dusty e
Just an FYI that will effect cell numbers.
Krister Meister
Subject: DO NOT CALL LIST - CELL PHONES JUST A REMINDERon 10/6/06, all cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing companies and you will start to receive sale calls. YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS To prevent
No problem with the reminiscing, but every time I sign on, I see my subject line thinking that there is pertaining information to my question. Lets remember to change the subject line if we get off on a unrelated tangent.
No one mentioned Party Lines - had them for years in WI.
Krister
--
I have a few buckles - oil canning (6" - 14" in size) on the roof of my '66. Can oil-canning be fixed for a reasonable cost or should I consider a donor roof. Restorng to original color which is Danube Blue Metalic (dark color). Does a '66 / '67 Chevelle roof interchange? Any others for '66 / '
Went from stacks to totes to magazine storage boxes - available at container stores, Ikea, office supply stores. Easily fits one years subscription, lable end of box and they stand upright on shelves in a closet. Photo copy / scan table of contents and put in a binder for easy refernce of what m
I use Classic Muscle, it's a Chevrolet dearlership that has a parts department dedicated to our cars. Their catalog part numbers a based off the GM originals. I use my Assembly Manual, get the original part # and order it. Shipping is the cheapest I have found from anyone and pricing usually b
Has anyone installed a Pertonix Ignitor II Electronic Ingnition on their cars. I read in one place that the Distributor needs to be removed on a Big Block. Pros / Cons and what to look for? I like the idea of keeping a stock look with the benefits of electronic ingnition.
Krister Meister
'66
I put a on/off toggle on the coil wire on the interior side of the wiring harness. Switch is completely out of site and requires the right arm/hand contortion to reach it. Allows the car to crank over, but will never start. Use it only when leaving the car in a restruant lot or large shows wher
Hi Dale,
Been out of town - It is a sooty build up, cleans up rather easy especially in an air / media blaster for spark plugs. Original engine with 69K on it. Burns a little when accelerating hard. A previous owner did some rebuild work around 36K what was done I have no record of. I can te
What is the main cause or causes of carbon? I clean my plugs (abrasive media blaster for spark plugs) and after 30 miles of local driving they are covered in carbon again.
Have a great July 4th
Krister Meister
66 SS #'s
Saw on the Speed channel a few weeks ago a coolant additive called Kool It. Supposed to reduce operating temp, and counter the
electrolysis generated with dis-similar metals
Anbody using it or know where it can be purchased?
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
I have my Holley 3310 (not stock) off and noticed a vacuum passage on the bottom of the throttle plate that goes to the primary side was plugged with carbon chipped / wire brushed it away. Passage on the throttle body also goes up into carb body into the power valve area. Checked the same mat
Must be that Chevelle virus again
- Original Message -
From: Linda Hills
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:42 AM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] emails
Why are these emails coming to my personal email?
Shawn Linn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My battery is not a maintenance free style and splits small amounts acid from the caps and after a drive it makes a perculating type sound. The cells are not over filled. Is it just time for a new battery or is it a voltage regulator issue or something else.
Thank you for the advice
Krister
Larry,
My Amp gauge is an aftermarket SW. Original on my car are the idiot lights which I would like to replace someday with the '66 - '67 repo in dash gauges that are available. Sorry no help on your wire size.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: Larry Williams <[
Sharing an easy lesson and over sight..
After completing my dash restoration and reinstalling it - the moment of truth - turn the key - and no juice. No juice anywhere. Started checking at battery = 12v, junction block = 12v, batt terminal on horn relay - nothing. Meter told me something was
I am rebuilding my Z Bar. The old grease that was in it was pretty dark and thick - almost like wheel bearing grease - could have been just old.
The grease fitting will make it easy to fill back up.
What type of grease is supposed to go in the Z Bar?
Thank you for the help!
Krister Meis
As a father of twins (soon to be 8) my advice is to keep 0 - 3+ yrs on a schedule. Same time for eating / sleeping each day and as cruel as it sounds let them cry themselves to sleep - it works.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We are 7 mont
If it's the label that shows date of service - keep it with your reciept in the event you have a warranty issue in the future. Will be heading to Costco myself soon for a battery for the Chevelle - can't beat the price there.
Krister Meister
'66 #'s
-- Original message ---
Re-finishing my black interior (763) 66 dash and want correctness. Some restoration books state that the top half is a 0% gloss and the bottom half is a 60% gloss. Can't say that mine was ever repainted in the past, but the whole dash was a semi-gloss finish and appeared to be original as I was
Could someone verify the application of this GM horn bar?
Casting reads PT # 9740492 CAV.2 it fits over my '66 steering wheel, but with Rocky's very appreciated help it confirmed I have the wrong type horn bar for a '66 Chevelle standard wheel. Rocky was kind enough to completely disassemble
This was discussed sometime ago cant find the email. The steering wheel cap which has the Chevelle emblem on it - what holds the center cap itself to the chrome horn bar on a standard 66 steering wheel?
I am still in a quandary on the parts sequence for the horn button components. If
Gives plastic surgery a new meaning.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: "Brad Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Looks like what I found with my Chevelle. I had this down both sides. I > ended up replacing one front fender, both doors, and one rear quarter. The > others we
Thank you guys for the help and attachments - they will guide me in the right direction. I didn't even think of looking in my Service manual.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: "Larry Shouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Krister,
I scanned three pages out of my 66 Cha
Does anyone have an assembly sequence or drawing of a '66 standard steering wheel, horn lever, and horn components. I checked my '66 assembly manual and it did not give any detail in this area. I just bought an original '66 steering wheel with horn lever, center cap and all internal horn compone
Tim,
Thank you!!! I'll get you my address.
Again, the support from this list and help where people can is excellent!
Krister
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Krister,
I have one. Just send me your address.
-Tim King-
Larry,
Thank you for the offer, I have always been impressed with the support we share on this list in helping each out. However, in my case the delete is because the factory original clock is part of the center console that is in the car. Ebay has a fuel gauge and clock delete set, but I just
Does anybody have a decent '66 / '67 dash clock delete? In redoing my dash - got a little over jealous in polishing the clock delete - off came the screen printing.
Thank you,
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
When the dashed lane divider line becomes solid white - time to slow down.
-- Original message -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When you hear harp music,you may be going over alittle to much. gm66 > > --- "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMA
Locations depend on year. "66 V8 - head to fire wall passenger side using a separate screw just off the lower corner of the heater box. Body to Frame uses the positive cable clip bolt on the frame and then screws to the inner fender well. I bought the same 3 cable ground set and trying to deter
Does anyone know of a source for these. I have my dash out right now as well, not replacing them now but will at some point.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: "Larry Shouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks Mike! > > Larry > - Original Message - > From: "mike f"
I learned of arching wires the hard way. 16 yrs old ( now 41), 62 Catalina (still have it) adjusting timing (during the day) loosen distributor and grabbed the top to adjust ahhh - learned to respect it and changed the wires.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: "Jo
Team Chevelle is where I found mine.
Krister
-- Original message -- From: Bill Lessenberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Team Chevelle free classifieds www.chevelles.com At 05:53 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
If a guy was thinking about selling his chevelle where is the best place on
Steve,
After a few Google searches and calls I found D & M Restorations 800-722-0854. Before buying a part from them they suggested I completely disassemble the gauge cluster as often the needle pops off and does not completely fall out, but gets stuck sight unseen in the bottom of the cluster.
I successfully advanced the mileage on my 66 odometer. After removing odometer from speedometer assembly. Keeping the disks on the shaft. Going through a series of rotating the gear counter clockwise and then clockwise, realign all the tabs, all while holding the disks and tabs I didnt want
I have my 66 speedometer completely disassembled. I kept the odometer in tack but would like to know how to adjust the mileage shown. I actually want to roll it forward 1250 miles. (I am one of those anal ones speedometer was inop with an estimated 1250 driven) It has little arms that all
I have one. Two weeks ago on the Saturday Lou Manfradey Show (call in show for home repair problems - Chicago area) Lou got a call from a gentleman with a car in his basement and was inquiring about ways to remove it.
The caller is explaining that he is not a car guy, knew the car was part of t
Turned out to by a weld that flowed over a little. Filed it slightly and the pivot ball pulled out easily of the Z bar frame end. Upon removing the inner seat I could see that it backs up to a shoulder inside the Z bar - keeping it from pushing in to far.
Thanks again for the help! It keeps o
On my 66 Z bar on the frame end, I was able to remove the seat clip and remove the outer (Nylon) seat. A slight interference with the end weld on the bar is preventing the pivot ball from coming out the frame end. Is it supposed to come out the frame end? It seems that if I try to push the pi
Got to share this. Seen today late 80"s red Honda Civic with Jr's number 8 painted on drivers and pass doors. Purple tinted windows
2 weeks ago doing 65mph on the expressway. Approached from behind by a white Pinto, jacked up with sidepipes. I am thinking custom, sidepipes, let him pass and
Recently discussed - Kill Switches. Wondering what is best or easiest. Thought I read about grounding out the coil somewhere. Would gronding out the coil still allow the car to be cranked over, but not start? Anybody have details on how this is best done? Preference is to have what ever disab
I just wanted to say what a great list we have. I recently asked for speedometer needle sources and had two list members offer me ones that they had. One member already had it packaged and ready to mail - N/C.
We have fun at times, but mostly are there for each other in sharing information and
'66 Chevelle SS, #'s matching, factory: M21, 3.73 Posi, L34 (360 HP option)
Krister
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob howardSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:22 PMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: [Chevelle-list] what
I need to replace my '66 speedometer needle. Looking for a source that will sell just the needle. '66 & '67 are interchangeable on this. If someone has a decent used one - let me know off list.
Thanks for the help.
Krister Meister
'66 SS #'s
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