Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Cebuano
: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] By that reasoning Cisco should put Appletalk, IPX, X.25, ATM LANE, and even Decnet back into their exams. On a certification exam, I don't think it's helpful to have a number of questions on equipment that Cisco doesn't even sell anymore. I'm not saying

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Steven A. Ridder
The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Robert Padjen
With respect, I would argue that Cisco wants to sell products and that the certifications are a way to add credibality to them as a vendor. I do agree that one may come across old equipment in their travels, and perhaps I am fortunate to work with newer things, but I have to question the

Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired. But unless things have radically changed, this is, in part, a result of the process used to create them, and the fact that instructional design professionals are in charge. When I

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Chuck
FWIW, I know of plenty of people who made it to day two, and even into troubleshooting, and came away empty. I might agree with your point about technology, except that it should be pretty apparent that certain technologies that Cisco deems important ( and many of Cisco's large customers as well

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Steven A. Ridder
Cisco claims that the CCIE lab has recently been updated to include more relevant and real world topic than ever before. Also, I am saying all this as a 3rd party as I have never experienced the lab. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
PHB level?? I'm curious what that means. ;-) I think the process at Cisco has degenerated even beyond what you describe. It's not just that instructional designers (IDs) rather than subject matter experts (SMEs) write the questions and answers. The new breed of IDs also seem to have limited

RE: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread John Allhiser
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OopsRe: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired

Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
PHB level?? I'm curious what that means. ;-) Actually, now that I think of it, there are two meanings of relevance: Dilbertian: Pointy-Haired Boss Traffic Engineering: Per-Hop Behavior I think the process at Cisco has degenerated even beyond what you describe. It's not

RE: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allhiser To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: OopsRe: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] Hi Howard, I'm glad to see gettlabs.com is up and running -- I will definitely peruse it tonight. Preface: I used to teach technology courses at a 4 yr college

RE: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread Michael Cohen
: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread MADMAN
another FWIW I made it to the second day my first try but was not allowed to troubleshoot as I hadn't enough points. As far as hard, it seems that the passing rate is still quite low, it was arounf 15% in 96 when I took it and I think it is still hovering around there today. Dave Chuck

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-13 Thread MADMAN
: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff

Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread Robert Padjen
Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread John Neiberger
If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. Here's a suggestion for Cisco: Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread Tshon
I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one prepare you for anything that is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't gaurantee that you won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are prepared to represent their company. Secondly

Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread John Neiberger
By that reasoning Cisco should put Appletalk, IPX, X.25, ATM LANE, and even Decnet back into their exams. On a certification exam, I don't think it's helpful to have a number of questions on equipment that Cisco doesn't even sell anymore. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any, but if

Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread John Neiberger
) And, I know that Appletalk is still in some of the CCNP v2 exams. However, it looks like you'll soon be able to scratch NLSP off the CCIE test. Keep your fingers crossed. John On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tshon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think that what your missing is that. Cisco

Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]

2002-03-12 Thread Yahoudi
should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered