Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 03:07 PM 9/30/2002 +, Russell Heilling wrote: Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's and a distribution router knows where that block is, via a connected route, like a /30 on a serial link. But later down the line the customer requests an additional block of

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 04:05 PM 9/30/2002 +, Chris Headings wrote: Great... So it looks like I would then use the redistribute static subnets as well as the redistribute connected subnets command within the OSPF process to make sure ALL ospf enabled routers would know how to reach that specifc, statically

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote: Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much better to have them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run static routes to the customer. OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero
What about using default routes at the customer sites? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter van Oene Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] At 07:12 PM 9/30/2002 +, MADMAN

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
at the customer sites? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter van Oene Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] At 07:12 PM 9/30/2002 +, MADMAN wrote: Interesting. I don't work

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-01 Thread Don
-- Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] Illinois Century Network http://www.illinois.net (217) 557-6555 -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-01 Thread John Hutchison
I work for an ISP and we simply run a static route of those IPs for the customer and just redist. static routes via EIGRP. Updates are usually not affected much, either, as we have made sure that any subnets that we route to a customer already exist on that router, therefore router summarization

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-01 Thread Kent Yu
John, John Hutchison wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I work for an ISP and we simply run a static route of those IPs for the customer and just redist. static routes via EIGRP. I guess you mean redistribute the customer static routes into BGP? Updates are

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-01 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote: Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much better to have them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run stati

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Russell Heilling
Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's and a distribution router knows where that block is, via a connected route, like a /30 on a serial link. But later down the line the customer requests an additional block of 64 IP addresses, what is the best way to send this block

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Don
Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much better to have them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run static routes to the customer. OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for the ISP and should be avoided in almost every case. Don Chris Headings wrote in

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Chris Headings
Great... So it looks like I would then use the redistribute static subnets as well as the redistribute connected subnets command within the OSPF process to make sure ALL ospf enabled routers would know how to reach that specifc, statically routed/connected, destination? Chris Message Posted

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote: Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much better to have them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run static routes to the customer. OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for the ISP and should be avoided in almost every case.

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Mike Bernico
://www.illinois.net (217) 557-6555 -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote: Rather than run OSPF to customers

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread MADMAN
for ISPs [7:54540] At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote: Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much better to have them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run static routes to the customer. OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for the ISP and should

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
Mike Bernico wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm not sure I'm in complete agreement. The network I work for has several distribution routers that contain around 1000 T1 speed customers. If we were to static route each of their networks it would add about 1000

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Erich Kuehn
] Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540] Interesting. I don't work for an ISP bt have worked with many and I have only ran into one that ran an IGP with it's customers and I was suprised. My ancedotal evidence suggests that the vast majority either run BGP or statics to announce customer networks. I know

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Tom Lisa
Howard, Is there an audio tape that goes with the slides. If so, I'd being willing to pay so I could show this presentation to my CCNP students, including the shameless plug. BTW, liked your concise explanation of CIDR vs VLSM. Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco

Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Howard, Is there an audio tape that goes with the slides. If so, I'd being willing to pay so I could show this presentation to my CCNP students, including the shameless plug. BTW, liked your concise explanation of CIDR vs VLSM. Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco