Hi all,
For those who didn't see Pekka's blog on planet.classpath.org you can
find it here:
http://penberg.posterous.com/whats-the-future-of-gnu-classpath
He makes some very good points. I agree with all of them.
Now the cool thing would be if I said "lets do them all right now!".
But instead I a
Il giorno mar, 07/12/2010 alle 23.06 +0100, Mark Wielaard ha scritto:
> Hi all,
>
> For those who didn't see Pekka's blog on planet.classpath.org you can
> find it here:
> http://penberg.posterous.com/whats-the-future-of-gnu-classpath
>
> He makes some very good points. I agree with all of them.
On 23:06 Tue 07 Dec , Mark Wielaard wrote:
> Hi all,
>
Hi Mark,
I'll apologise in advance if some of what I've written below sounds harsh,
but I'm not that happy with the state of Free Java generally right now.
> For those who didn't see Pekka's blog on planet.classpath.org you can
> find i
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes
wrote:
>> As soon as I am back I would like us to at least start moving to
>> mercurial on savannah if people don't mind.
>
> Yes, I do mind.
>
> We already discussed this some time back:
>
> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath/2
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes
wrote:
>> For those who didn't see Pekka's blog on planet.classpath.org you can
>> find it here:
>> http://penberg.posterous.com/whats-the-future-of-gnu-classpath
>>
>> He makes some very good points. I agree with all of them.
>
> I agree on th
Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> On 23:06 Tue 07 Dec, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > As soon as I am back I would like us to at least start moving to
> > mercurial on savannah if people don't mind.
>
> Yes, I do mind.
>
> We already discussed this some time back:
>
> http://developer.classpath.org/piper
Hi all, long time, no commit.
It is unclear from my vantage point what the purpose of Classpath should be.
Most of the VMs I'm familiar with who were essentially customers in the past
are moving to support openjdk's class library it seems Thank goodness for
JamVM and all the rest over the yea
Hi,
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 23:53 +, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> I'll apologise in advance if some of what I've written below sounds harsh,
> but I'm not that happy with the state of Free Java generally right now.
And I apologize for not stating the obvious. You are the only active
maintaine
On 12/08/2010 10:05 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>> As is, if you're going to put some time in, I'd rather it was spent
>> reviewing patches than messing about with the VCS.
>
> Point taken. In my defense, I like tinkering with "services" around the
> code base. Having autobuilders, a good dvcs integ
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Anyway, I don't mind that as long as someone else does it. (Clearly,
> the issue of developers without commit access is a red herring, as
> every developer should have commit access.)
But it's not a red herring! I don't expect to have commit
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hereby offer to review some patches. Please send pointers to the
> list.
http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006511.html
http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006513.
On 12/08/2010 10:56 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> Anyway, I don't mind that as long as someone else does it. (Clearly,
>> the issue of developers without commit access is a red herring, as
>> every developer should have commit access.)
>
> But
On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> I hereby offer to review some patches. Please send pointers to the
>> list.
>
> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006511.html
>
> http://developer.classpa
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> But I'm afraid people are looking at the things they think might make
> a difference, but won't make a difference. I read the list, and
> haven't seen a huge number of unreviewed patches, but I admit I
> haven't been paying close enough atten
On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> I hereby offer to review some patches. Please send pointers to the
>> list.
>
> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006511.html
This needs a ChangeLog, othe
Hi Andrew,
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 10:56 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> Anyway, I don't mind that as long as someone else does it. (Clearly,
>>> the issue of developers without commit access is a re
On 12/08/2010 11:23 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
Hi.
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 12/08/2010 10:56 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
Anyway, I don't mind that as long as someone else does it. (Clearly,
>
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> There's also 10-15 patches from Ivan sitting in the archives
>
> Hmm, I had seen some discussion around those and thought they were being
> addressed. Bring them on!
I'm not sure if this is all of it but it's a start anyway:
http://develope
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006512.html
>
> What compatibility problem does this fix?
That the result is not what we get with OpenJDK. JamVM, for example,
(and I guess CACAO) has fixed this in thei
On 12/08/2010 11:32 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> There's also 10-15 patches from Ivan sitting in the archives
>>
>> Hmm, I had seen some discussion around those and thought they were being
>> addressed. Bring them on!
>
> I'm not sure if this
I've only recently gone from svn to git and honestly git is freaking awesome
sauce.
I'm pretty sure what you are missing is how much nicer having local branches
can be for local development. The cvs way would be multiple checkouts, and a
lot of manual diffing and merging.
If Classpath were on
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this is all of it but it's a start anyway:
>>
>> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-June/006411.html
>
> Ah, yes, these were the patches that were sent hex encoded with a
> MIME type of application/
Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 11:23 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > In any case, even if everyone did have commit access, CVS is still
> > painful for *local* development.
>
> Not for me. I mean, it's not great, but it's hardly a big factor in
> the time it takes to develop code.
I think diffe
On 12/08/2010 11:37 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patches/2010-November/006512.html
>>
>> What compatibility problem does this fix?
>
> That the result is not what we get with OpenJDK. JamVM, fo
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> That the result is not what we get with OpenJDK. JamVM, for example,
>> (and I guess CACAO) has fixed this in their tree as has GCJ. The test
>> case I used for this is ClassTest.testGetSimpleName() here:
>>
>> https://github.com/penberg/malva
On 12/08/2010 11:44 AM, Brian Jones wrote:
> I've only recently gone from svn to git and honestly git is freaking
> awesome sauce.
>
> I'm pretty sure what you are missing is how much nicer having local
> branches can be for local development. The cvs way would be
> multiple checkouts, and a lot
On 12/08/2010 11:47 AM, Gary Benson wrote:
> Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 12/08/2010 11:23 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>>> In any case, even if everyone did have commit access, CVS is still
>>> painful for *local* development.
>>
>> Not for me. I mean, it's not great, but it's hardly a big factor in
>> t
On 12/08/2010 11:49 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> That the result is not what we get with OpenJDK. JamVM, for example,
>>> (and I guess CACAO) has fixed this in their tree as has GCJ. The test
>>> case I used for this is ClassTest.testGetSimpleNa
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> No need to live with it, I'll fix it up and resend.
>
> This is truly weird. The gcj patch says:
>
> 2008-05-22 Andrew Haley
>
> PR libgcj/35020
> * java/lang/Class.java (getSimpleName): Import from GNU Classpath.
>
> http://
On 12/08/2010 12:09 PM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> No need to live with it, I'll fix it up and resend.
>>
>> This is truly weird. The gcj patch says:
>>
>> 2008-05-22 Andrew Haley
>>
>>PR libgcj/35020
>>* java/lang/Class.java (
Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 09.26 +, Gary Benson ha scritto:
> Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> > On 23:06 Tue 07 Dec, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > > As soon as I am back I would like us to at least start moving to
> > > mercurial on savannah if people don't mind.
> >
> > Yes, I do mind.
> >
> >
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 11:44 AM, Brian Jones wrote:
>
>> I've only recently gone from svn to git and honestly git is freaking
>> awesome sauce.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure what you are missing is how much nicer having local
>> branches can be for local develo
Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.45 +0200, Pekka Enberg ha scritto:
> I completely agree. I have Ivan's patches locally and I'm planning to
> go through them and resend them to the list unless he beats me to it.
>
>Pekka
>
If we were using mecurial we could use review b
On 12/08/2010 12:57 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.45 +0200, Pekka Enberg ha scritto:
>
>> I completely agree. I have Ivan's patches locally and I'm planning to
>> go through them and resend them to the list unless he beats me to it.
>>
>>Pekka
>
Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.03 +, Andrew Haley ha scritto:
> On 12/08/2010 12:57 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
> > Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.45 +0200, Pekka Enberg ha scritto:
> >
> >> I completely agree. I have Ivan's patches locally and I'm planning to
> >> go through them and resend
On 12/08/2010 01:23 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.03 +, Andrew Haley ha scritto:
>> On 12/08/2010 12:57 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
>>>
>>> If we were using mecurial we could use review board or webrew.
>>
>> We could, but these just introduce extra barriers: it's very e
On 09:20 Wed 08 Dec , Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes
> >
> > There are several inaccuracies in the points themselves. I'm not too
> > surprised, given that Pekka is still new to the project, but I am surprised
> > that you'd agree wholeheartedly wit
On 11:05 Wed 08 Dec , Mark Wielaard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 23:53 +, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> > I'll apologise in advance if some of what I've written below sounds harsh,
> > but I'm not that happy with the state of Free Java generally right now.
>
> And I apologize f
On 10:32 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 10:05 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>
> >> As is, if you're going to put some time in, I'd rather it was spent
> >> reviewing patches than messing about with the VCS.
> >
> > Point taken. In my defense, I like tinkering with "services" arou
On 11:13 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> >> I hereby offer to review some patches. Please send pointers to the
> >> list.
> >
> > http://developer.classpath.org/pipermail/classpath-patch
On 13:03 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 12:57 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
> > Il giorno mer, 08/12/2010 alle 13.45 +0200, Pekka Enberg ha scritto:
> >
> >> I completely agree. I have Ivan's patches locally and I'm planning to
> >> go through them and resend them to the list unless
On 08:16 Wed 08 Dec , Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes
> wrote:
> >> As soon as I am back I would like us to at least start moving to
> >> mercurial on savannah if people don't mind.
> >
> > Yes, I do mind.
> >
> > We already discussed this some time
On 12/08/2010 05:17 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> On 11:13 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
I hereby offer to review some patches. Please send pointers to the
list.
>>>
>>> h
On 12/08/2010 05:15 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
>
> In Ivan's case, I've reviewed a number of the patches and I've had to
> do work on most of them to get them in a state where they can be
> committed. This is why I've been hesitant on giving commit access if
> the result is that it will bre
On 12/08/2010 08:02 PM, Ivan Maidanski wrote:
> I remember you (or someone else) had pointed me about of
> inconvenience of reading my patches in the form they were attached
> and I had promised to use ".diff.txt" file extension but forgot
> about it after a long delay. (there is such problem in,
On 12/08/2010 08:02 PM, Ivan Maidanski wrote:
> I remember you (or someone else) had pointed me about of
> inconvenience of reading my patches in the form they were attached
> and I had promised to use ".diff.txt" file extension but forgot
> about it after a long delay. (there is such problem in,
On 11:03 Thu 09 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 08:02 PM, Ivan Maidanski wrote:
>
> > I remember you (or someone else) had pointed me about of
> > inconvenience of reading my patches in the form they were attached
> > and I had promised to use ".diff.txt" file extension but forgot
>
On 09:42 Thu 09 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 05:17 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> > On 11:13 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
> >> On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hereby offer to review some pa
On 12/09/2010 12:44 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> On 11:03 Thu 09 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 12/08/2010 08:02 PM, Ivan Maidanski wrote:
>>
>>> I remember you (or someone else) had pointed me about of
>>> inconvenience of reading my patches in the form they were attached
>>> and I had
On 12/09/2010 12:45 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> On 09:42 Thu 09 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 12/08/2010 05:17 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
>>> On 11:13 Wed 08 Dec , Andrew Haley wrote:
On 12/08/2010 10:58 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andr
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:45 +, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> I disagree. Just because the version in gcj is different doesn't mean
> it's correct. As far as I'm aware, Pekka already has a testcase for
> this so it would be good to have it in Mauve.
Sorry for the delay, here's a test case fo
On 10:54 Sun 12 Dec , Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:45 +, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> > I disagree. Just because the version in gcj is different doesn't mean
> > it's correct. As far as I'm aware, Pekka already has a testcase for
> > this so it would be good to have it
Hi,
I remember you (or someone else) had pointed me about of inconvenience of
reading my patches in the form they were attached and I had promised to use
".diff.txt" file extension but forgot about it after a long delay. (there is
such problem in, say, hpl.com mailing list where I frequently se
Hi Andrew and Pekka,
Thank you Pekka but there are also some more ones (in June 2010):
- http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.classpath.patches/12989 (follow the
link in body to get classpath-ivmai-05.diff);
- http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.classpath.patches/12988
(classpath-ivmai-
2010/12/8 Ivan Maidanski :
> Hi Andrew and Pekka,
>
> Thank you Pekka but there are also some more ones (in June 2010):
> - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.classpath.patches/12989 (follow
> the link in body to get classpath-ivmai-05.diff);
> - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.clas
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