Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-09 Thread Henri Yandell
Just for people's info, I posted the vote to general@ yesterday. On 4/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-08 Thread Martin van den Bemt
+1 to you :) Mvgr, Martin Torsten Curdt wrote: > > On 06.05.2007, at 19:51, Henri Yandell wrote: > >> On 5/1/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 5/1/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > (http://wik

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-07 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 for doing it. +1 for either Hen or Torsten as chair Will add humble self to list (of members) Phil On 5/6/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/6/07, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 06.05.2007, at 19:51, Henri Yandell wrote: > > > On 5/1/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-06 Thread Henri Yandell
On 5/6/07, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 06.05.2007, at 19:51, Henri Yandell wrote: > On 5/1/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 5/1/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > (http://wiki.apac

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-06 Thread Torsten Curdt
On 06.05.2007, at 19:51, Henri Yandell wrote: On 5/1/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/1/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution) and secondly, > > anyone

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-06 Thread Henri Yandell
On 5/1/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/1/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution) and secondly, > > anyone want to volunteer to chair things? > > As you are o

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-02 Thread Henri Yandell
Jochen asked that too: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev/200704.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] My reply was: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev/200704.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] In terms of your direct questions, I don't think moving gives us anything

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-02 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Sorry for the dumb question, I may have missed an important thread, but what do we gain exactly by moving to a TLP ? What will be different ? I can see the external aspects like a new web site, new mailing lists and the loss of the Jakarta brand, but I doubt we are moving just for this. Will th

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On 5/1/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution) and secondly, > anyone want to volunteer to chair things? As you are one of the most active persons here and also the one who is pus

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-01 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 5/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution) and secondly, anyone want to volunteer to chair things? As you are one of the most active persons here and also the one who is pushing this forward: How about yourself? :-) Jochen -- My

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-05-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On 4/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So with that said - I'd like to propose that we move to commons.apache.org. Apologies for the delay. I a) wanted to back off and see what effect the proposal had on Jakarta, b) was on semi-vacation and c) was subsequently ill. We've three st

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/4/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On 4/2/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> +1 for only Java components (flame away, this is just my HO) >Yep - though in reality this means: >"We'll do whatever the co

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
"Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >My long term thinking for how this would be handled is: >Multiple PMCs, one website. So we'd have Java Commons, Ruby Commons, >BobsYourUncle Commons PMCs, and they'd all share a commons.apache.org >website. >Does that make you less wary of our

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Henri Yandell
+1 to everything in your email. There's lots of room for 'finished' or 'maintenance' as it seems to be called more often. We've already got that in Commons in Discovery and Attributes at the very least. Hen On 4/4/07, Daniel F. Savarese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For at least ORO, there has be

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Daniel F. Savarese
I wrote: >+1 on the TLP vote s/vote/idea/ will vote +1 when the actual vote is held. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Daniel F. Savarese
+1 on the TLP vote In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, =?iso-88 59-1?Q?J=F6rg_Schaible?= writes: >I never got why things like ECS, ORO, regexp are not part of commons. = >What makes them different to logging or digester? I can understand the = >separation for something like POI, but not necessarily f

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On 4/4/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >So with that said - I'd like to propose that we move to commons.apache.org. +1 to that, -0 to the name. "commons" is too generic. There is already an XML commons and I could We alre

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Dennis Lundberg
+1 Henri Yandell wrote: I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously I've suggested that Commons should flatten into Jakarta and that Jakarta should become a gen

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
"Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On 4/2/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> +1 for only Java components (flame away, this is just my HO) >Yep - though in reality this means: >"We'll do whatever the community wants to do. If someone proposes a >Ruby library and we ha

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
"Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will >have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the >end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously I've suggested that >Commons should flatten into Jakarta and that Jakar

RE: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Jörg Schaible
Henri Yandell wrote on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:36 PM: > On 4/3/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've got a question: If we have commons.apache.org, what will be the >> difference to jakarta.apache.org, apart from the missing projects? >> Why do we expect that c.a.p will work, a

RE: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-04 Thread Jörg Schaible
+1 Oliver Zeigermann wrote on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:18 AM: > +1 to all said. I could even help. > > -0 to waiting until we have a clear idea about the rest of Jakarta as > this is likely to never happen. Maybe a clearer idea will form after > commons leaves Jakarta. > > Oliver > > 2007/4

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Martin van den Bemt
+1 for c.a.o, since I think it is right thing for commons. I really regret this step is necessary and is the beginning of the end of Jakarta. Even though this process started earlier than this proposal, this process will make the end of Jakarta unavoidable. I always hoped flattening commons wo

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Martin van den Bemt
A group of people that care about the same things under one umbrella, with it's own power of making decisions. Jakarta isn't that, c.a.o will for commons. Mvgr, Martin Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > I've got a question: If we have commons.apache.org, what will be the > difference to jakarta.apache.org

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On 4/3/07, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've got a question: If we have commons.apache.org, what will be the difference to jakarta.apache.org, apart from the missing projects? Why do we expect that c.a.p will work, although we assume that j.a.p didn't? I had three answers to this

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/3/07, Oliver Zeigermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 to all said. I could even help. -0 to waiting until we have a clear idea about the rest of Jakarta as this is likely to never happen. Maybe a clearer idea will form after commons leaves Jakarta. I guess that's one way to force the iss

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
I've got a question: If we have commons.apache.org, what will be the difference to jakarta.apache.org, apart from the missing projects? Why do we expect that c.a.p will work, although we assume that j.a.p didn't? Thanks, Jochen -- My cats know that I am a loser who goes out for hunting every

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 4/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/2/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +0 for waiting to do this until we have a clear idea of where the rest > of the Jakarta subprojects are going. Once we go TLP, I imagine a few would head in our direction, whereas until we

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 4/3/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously I've suggested that Commons should flatten into Jakarta and that

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-03 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
+1 to all said. I could even help. -0 to waiting until we have a clear idea about the rest of Jakarta as this is likely to never happen. Maybe a clearer idea will form after commons leaves Jakarta. Oliver 2007/4/3, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 4/2/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On 4/2/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So with that said - I'd like to propose that we move to commons.apache.org. > +1 We have talked about this lots of times before and some discussions have had us breaking commons itself apar

Re: [all] Going TLP?

2007-04-02 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/2/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously I've suggested that Commons should flatten into Jakarta and that

[all] Going TLP?

2007-04-02 Thread Henri Yandell
I think the end should be nigh for Jakarta (those on private@ will have seen a thread in which I side-topic'd with the feeling that the end should be nigh for Jakarta). Previously I've suggested that Commons should flatten into Jakarta and that Jakarta should become a general 'Java components' pro