Re: [resources] status was (Re: [lang] i18n package proposal)

2004-02-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 29 Jan 2004, at 07:28, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: snip Before a real 1.0 release I would really like to see a JDBC based implementation added, but that doesn't need to be a gating factor for promotion to commons proper (especially if I don't have time to work on it, although it's becoming

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Todd V. Jonker
This case sounds like a contract violation on the part of the caller, so throwing IllegalArgumentException is entirely reasonable. In fact that's exactly what I advise for all caller-side contract violations. On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:17:46 -0500, Inger, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I had also

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Todd V. Jonker
[Sorry, premature message send.] Mark R. Diggory wrote: I don't think logging should be used for anything more than debugging purposes. J.Pietschmann said: Me too. I used the code snippet as an example of a typical application level exception handling. I don't think a library must bend

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Henri Yandell
Bad name, implies it's a Throwable but it's not. Also you wouldn't want to make it extend that. LocalizedMessageSource? and change getResourceKey to getMessageKey ? Other names: LocalizedMessagable LocalizedThrowableMessagable etc. [not that I'm agreeing with the interface's need, just

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread J.Pietschmann
Henri Yandell wrote: LocalizedMessageSource? and change getResourceKey to getMessageKey ? Other names: LocalizedMessagable LocalizedThrowableMessagable etc. Sounds good, but the scope should be [lang], [ressource] or the yet-to-create [i18n] project. J.Pietschmann

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Henri Yandell
If it's all that is defined in the proposal, I think lang is fine. If it all grows beyond that, I have my doubts that it would be right in lang because it will most likely have become an i18n thing and not just a nice marker for throwables. Hen On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, J.Pietschmann wrote: Henri

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Inger, Matthew
] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 5:37 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] i18n package proposal If it's all that is defined in the proposal, I think lang is fine. If it all grows beyond that, I have my doubts that it would be right in lang because it will most likely have

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I am -1 to adding behaviour to do with localized messages into [lang]. It gets way too complex and religious and just doens't fit. Stephen From: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it's all that is defined in the proposal, I think lang is fine. If it all grows beyond that, I have my doubts

Re: [resources] status was (Re: [lang] i18n package proposal)

2004-01-29 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mark R. Diggory wrote: Ask those developing it for a status. Resources developers, what is the status of resources, how close are you to releasing? It's partly my fault, I suspect, that it isn't further down the pike.

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread Inger, Matthew
have a full release version use routines from the sandbox libraries. -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:13 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] i18n package proposal but all proper

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread Inger, Matthew
] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:52 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] i18n package proposal Inger, Matthew wrote: Math does not need to be localized in a lot of places, but exception messages should be localized. This is a common thing that people miss. If i am

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Ultimately your going to also have to deal with the fact that a underlying dependency may have thrown the exception, you can't guarantee that the dependency is going to be localized. Also, its usually the case that users end up posting stack traces to the list in hopes of getting some

Re: [resources] status was (Re: [lang] i18n package proposal)

2004-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 07:28 AM To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List' Subject: Re: [resources] status was (Re: [lang] i18n package proposal) Quoting Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Jan

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread J.Pietschmann
Phil Steitz wrote: I am with Henri here. I would not expect error messages from [math] (or [collections] or [lang], etc.) to be passed up directly to a gui or end user console. Designing and managing error messages for the end user to see should happen at the application level, supported by

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread Inger, Matthew
To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] i18n package proposal Phil Steitz wrote: I am with Henri here. I would not expect error messages from [math] (or [collections] or [lang], etc.) to be passed up directly to a gui or end user console. Designing and managing error messages

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-29 Thread Mark R. Diggory
J.Pietschmann wrote: Phil Steitz wrote: I am with Henri here. I would not expect error messages from [math] (or [collections] or [lang], etc.) to be passed up directly to a gui or end user console. Designing and managing error messages for the end user to see should happen at the application

RE: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-28 Thread Inger, Matthew
Developers List; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [lang] i18n package proposal At 4:43 PM -0500 1/28/04, Inger, Matthew wrote: Any interest in an i18n package for lang? I think it would be helpful for a applications to have a foundation for i18n and string externalization. Presenting a common

Re: [lang] i18n package proposal

2004-01-28 Thread robert burrell donkin
. -Original Message- From: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:45 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [lang] i18n package proposal At 4:43 PM -0500 1/28/04, Inger, Matthew wrote: Any interest in an i18n package for lang? I think