Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-07 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/6/07, J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My concern is only when such documents become additional rules or bylaws and individuals start linking to them in their emails as justification for why someone has or has not done their duty. Maybe I'm just being picky and overly cautious. The

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-06 Thread J Aaron Farr
Shane Curcuru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I keep being surprised at the vehemence of feelings against writing > down any sort of documentation that's non-technical... I didn't mean to suggest that I oppose any of the work that Ted, you or anyone else has done to document the fuzzy side of Apac

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-02 Thread Shane Curcuru
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: With "play nice", it's obvious that we're all interpreting things, but with the attempted code of conduct there's an impression that it is definitive and that I'm supposed to understand

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-01 Thread Thomas Vandahl
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > 4? w.r.t. style of specific authors, doesn't the project aim to have one >consistent style? If author tags can encourage folks to adopt their own >style in lieu of following a project-wide style, isn't this an issue? Well, there is formal code style which may

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Thomas Vandahl wrote: > > Why is the use of author tags discouraged? I found these to be valuable > information when trying to understand a piece of code, simply by > recognizing the style of a certain author. 1. once committed, it isn't your code, it's the project's code. (Not from a copyrig

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-07-01 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Ted Husted wrote: > Any comments would be very welcome. Is that document supposed to be published outside the ASF? If so, I'd suggest to stress the fact (again) that discussions on a public mailing list are being archived and available for everyone to see. Every once in a while we still see thes

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: > > The example project guidelines and cultural principles were added to > put the draft community guidelines into context. Though, we might not > want to post all three items together as a block. Yea - I'm sort of confused. I'm looking to inject two more concepts, reinforce th

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-30 Thread Ted Husted
On 6/30/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This isn't a Code of Conduct, it's a top-level description of our ethos. Yes, that's how it turned out. I started out to research a code of conduct, and came back with a set of community guidelines that describe how we expect people to

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-29 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Henri - I grok what you are saying. This isn't a Code of Conduct, it's a top-level description of our ethos. Two more inline... Henri Yandell wrote: > On 6/28/07, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Some of the ASF Members have indicated a wish to draft a code of >> conduct. A working draft

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-29 Thread Ted Husted
Can someone suggest a patch? On 6/29/07, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > I have a question about this part of the guidelines: > >> Project source code and documentation must be donated to the ASF >> under a >> >> Contributor's L

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On 6/28/07, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of the ASF Members have indicated a wish to draft a code of conduct. A working draft of a set of "Community Guidelines" is available on the incubator wiki, * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CodeOfConduct Any comments would be very welcom

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: I have a question about this part of the guidelines: Project source code and documentation must be donated to the ASF under a Contributor's License Agreement. Donated source code and documentation must carry the ASF copyright and be pla

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-28 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Craig L Russell wrote: > >>> Donated source code and >>> documentation must carry the ASF copyright and be placed under the >>> Apache License. Code and documentation donated to the ASF must be >>> maintained on ASF hardware. Obtaining a non-exclusive ASF copyright on

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-28 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > I have a question about this part of the guidelines: > >> Project source code and documentation must be donated to the ASF under a >> Contributor's License Agreement. This just absolutely clarifies the intent of the author, it's the simplest method of conveying your-code

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-28 Thread Craig L Russell
I have a question about this part of the guidelines: Project source code and documentation must be donated to the ASF under a <> Contributor's License Agreement. Donated source code and documentation must carry the ASF copyright and be placed under the Apache License. Code and documentation

Re: Community Guidelines (was Code of Conduct)

2007-06-28 Thread Danny Angus
On 6/28/07, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any comments would be very welcome. At first glance I say Nice Work Ted (or whomever), long overdue and a mature and considered distillation of What We Think. No doubt a further reading will reveal nits :-) I think that leaving this as an evol