Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread Lalo Martins
Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400): > I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would > be incredibly cool. I was kind of thinking in the opposite direction... running OpenMoko (the software platform) on their stuff :-) Maybe if Buglabs is successful, FIC/OpenMoko

Qtopia Phone Edition is being ported to Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Vincent
You might have already noticed this, but if not: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1436 -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

OM Camera - a new angle

2007-09-18 Thread Mikko Rauhala
Hoy I've recently bought a digital pocket camera, a Panasonic DMC-LZ7. It's a pretty good one, as pocket cameras go, and eats std. AA batteries and SD memory cards. So far so good, and bear with me for a moment. This will get relevant at some point :] The camera has a simple video mode, as they o

GSM/GPRS at same time? (was: Re: does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??)

2007-09-18 Thread Steve
Thomas Wood wrote: > The Dialer does not currently support call hold or multiple concurrent > calls because these features are not implemented in gsmd. I have a GPRS question, the wiki says (on the iphone comparison page) that it is class 12/cs4. That describes speed and number of channels. There

Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mauro Iazzi
before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 and http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html In short: Qtopia is going to be fully GPL'd (telephony applications included, which weren't) and is being ported to Neo1973. Som

a problem about A2DP of bluetooth

2007-09-18 Thread root
Hello, I want to use bluetooth headset in FIC, so I follow A2DP steps in wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth , but when install python-dbus, there are errors, as below: ERROR: ttf-bitstream-vera.postinst returned 3 /usr/share/fonts: failed to write cache /usr/share/fonts

Bug Labs - http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/bug-labs-opensource-hardware.html

2007-09-18 Thread Dean Collins
I just posted this to my www.collins.net.pr/blog and thought it may interest a few people on this list...wifi router module anyone? Cheers, Dean I had a really interesting conference call today about a new startup called http://www.buglabs.net The

how to build openmoko for a pc

2007-09-18 Thread Phani Kumar Kancharala
Hi all, Can anyone guide me in building openmoko on my PC i.e. to run on PC without any emulator. FYI, I have built openmoko using OE to run on Qemu emulator. thanks in advance, Regards, -Phani ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.o

RE: Short guide how to run gllin with chroot

2007-09-18 Thread Ken Yale
Hello, I sent a GLLIN rebuilt for the 2007.2 toolchain to Mickey, and I believe he is testing it. To run it, you'll need a named pipe /tmp/nmeaNP unless you specifically disable named pipes with the -np option. I believe Sean and Broadcom legal folks are straightening out the SLA/EULA for the G

Re: Short guide how to run gllin with chroot

2007-09-18 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski
Hello. Ken Yale pisze: Hello, I sent a GLLIN rebuilt for the 2007.2 toolchain to Mickey, and I believe he is testing it. To run it, you'll need a named pipe /tmp/nmeaNP unless you specifically disable named pipes with the -np option. I believe Sean and Broadcom legal folks are straighteni

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 08:18, Mauro Iazzi wrote: > before someone beats me to it. > > http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.926075 >5578 > > and > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4 http://www.yout

RE: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread Dean Collins
Not sure if they really have any modules yet - from the discussion yesterday it's still very alpha days at the moment. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). Fr

Re: GSM/GPRS at same time? (was: Re: does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??)

2007-09-18 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ti, 2007-09-18 at 04:55 -0400, Steve wrote: > I have a GPRS question, the wiki says (on the iphone comparison page) > that it is class 12/cs4. That describes speed and number of channels. > There's a third classification, A-C, which indicates whether it is > capable of utilizing both voice/SMS

Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread hank williams
I dont know what you mean by whether they "have" modules yet. Clearly they are not shipping yet. On the other hand I saw (and held) modules in person, albeit not plugged in and demonstrated. They said these were production modules. It sounds like hardware is frozen, or close to frozen. Moreover, If

Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread hank williams
On 9/17/07, Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400): > > I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would > > be incredibly cool. > > I was kind of thinking in the opposite direction... running OpenMoko (the > software platform)

Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

2007-09-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 09.09.2007 um 20:28 schrieb Dylan McCall: The Neo is indeed behind the iPhone in almost every tech spec except one: Openness. And: - replaceable standard battery - even compatible with Nokia batteries - integrated GPS (well, does not yet work) - much higher screen resolution (pixels per s

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

2007-09-18 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:03:05 +0200, Raphaël Jacquot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem was that their three Iphones were racking up a bill for data charges using foreign phone charges. The Iphone regularly updates e-mail, even while it's off, so that all the messages will be available

RE: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread Dean Collins
Yep I meant that they don't have a ship date (or a frozen date) or even an open beta yet. Like I said I'm actively looking to support these guys as I think it's a great concept but.long way to go. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-2

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Giles Jones
Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > before someone beats me to it. > > http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 Ironic given one of their Greenphone guys was slagging the OpenMoko project a while back. --- G O Jones ___

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Jonathan Spooner
I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organised feel which makes it easy. Regards, Jon Mauro Iazzi wrote: before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Michael Schmidt
Hi, great news, but what does this mean? We need a posting of the projekt management, will Neo s Menue switch to QT? This means a GTK application will not work? Or: Any QT-Applicaiton will work now automatically? We need this info, for a decision, to stick to the library either a GTK-Gui or the ex

Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread hank williams
> Like I said I'm actively looking to support these guys as I think it's a > great concept but…..long way to go. > Are you saying you think Q4 07 is a long way to go, or do you just think they are being overly optimistic. Hank Regards, > > Dean Collins > Cognation Pty Ltd > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On 9/3/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS I just keep wondering how hard it would be for us opensource prople to set up a network of assistance servers? Would a PC with an usb GPS device (and suita

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Joshua Layne
Michael Schmidt wrote: Hi, great news, but what does this mean? We need a posting of the projekt management, will Neo s Menue switch to QT? This means a GTK application will not work? Or: Any QT-Applicaiton will work now automatically? We need this info, for a decision, to stick to the library e

Dual-boot? (was Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973)

2007-09-18 Thread Ryan Prior
Is there a bootloader option for the Neo that could let developers decide whether to boot into OpenMoko or QTopia? If so, it could provide a convenient fallback option in case tinkering with one of the systems caused it to stop working. You could boot into QTopia to surf the net and debug the OpenM

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread thomas.cooksey
>In short: Qtopia is going to be fully GPL'd (telephony applications >included, which weren't) and is being ported to Neo1973. Fantastic news! What works? Looking at the youtube videos, it appears that the phone, SMS, bluetooth & power management are all working? Can you actually place and recie

RE: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread Dean Collins
Well Q4 07 is either 12 days away or 120+12-1 for December 30th depending on how you look at it :-) If they have just opened up the closed beta process this means they have some time to go before being available for retail. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mauro Iazzi
On 18/09/2007, Jonathan Spooner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing > apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT > just has the docs and organised feel which makes it easy. > > Regards, > > Jon > with the dra

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Michael Schmidt
what is the difference of openmoko and neo? Thought neo is the phone and openmoko the project running it. So a GTK gui would work even with QTopia phone? Ok then there is a development interest for GTK... On 9/18/07, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Applications for the _Neo_ can have wh

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mauro Iazzi
On 18/09/2007, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > before someone beats me to it. > > > > http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 > > > Ironic given one of their Greenphone guys was slagging the OpenMoko proj

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread andy
I've enjoyed watching the openmoko project grow - and I think it's a massive boost to the philosophy behind the project (and possibly to the perceived sustainability of the project) that another company is able to take the hardware specs and port their applications to the neo1973. I think it's

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mauro Iazzi
On 18/09/2007, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing > >> apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT > >> ju

Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread hank williams
On 9/18/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well Q4 07 is either 12 days away or 120+12-1 for December 30th depending > on how you look at it J > > > > If they have just opened up the closed beta process this means they have > some time to go before being available for retail. > Acuta

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Giles Jones
Michael Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Hi, great news, but what does this mean? > We need a posting of the projekt management, will Neo s Menue switch to QT? > This means a GTK application will not work? > Or: Any QT-Applicaiton will work now automatically? Quite simply if you have an X se

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organised feel which makes it easy. with the drawback

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

2007-09-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 03:27:24 Mikko Rauhala wrote: > Now, for the relevant part. I want an open digital camera. So, hey, > OpenMoko guys (or somebody else in the consumer device business and into > openness), when you're well on your way to having revolutionized the > mobile handset market,

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Michael Schmidt
Thanks, but why is the Neo phone not a small laptop? that all can be installed, at least for the needed libraries. So a GTK gui still makes sense... Greenphone then can as well join OPENMOKO platform, and if greenphone uses only QT, is then the GTK application working? -> no, if the GTK-Library is

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mike Hodson
On 9/18/07, Michael Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what is the difference of openmoko and neo? > Thought neo is the phone and openmoko the project running it. > So a GTK gui would work even with QTopia phone? > Ok then there is a development interest for GTK... > OpenMoko is an open-source G

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Michael Schmidt wrote: > what is the difference of openmoko and neo? > Thought neo is the phone and openmoko the project running it. The Neo1973 is the phone hardware FIC are making. OpenMoko is an open platform for phones and other similar hardware, and builds on th

Re: Dual-boot? (was Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973)

2007-09-18 Thread Derek Pressnall
On 9/18/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a bootloader option for the Neo that could let developers decide > whether to boot into OpenMoko or QTopia? If so, it could provide a > convenient fallback option in case tinkering with one of the systems caused > it to stop working. You

Re: ATI to provide specs (was: Re: SMedia 3362)

2007-09-18 Thread Harald Welte
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:10:48PM -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On 9/10/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So what exactly is not enough? You will get 100% free software drivers, > > down to the latest bit, no proprietary firmware whatsoever, plus > > hardware documentation that w

Re: Dual-boot? (was Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973)

2007-09-18 Thread Michael Schmidt
please not another gnome/kde parallel world system both libraries ( and I guess GTK embedded into QT) should be installed and work. and for the Main window: I guess soon it is QT. But please not a double boot option! read the QT-Experience report from one user on the list. QT is great ! that does

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Simon
> OpenMoko should stick to what it is doing already. I second this. QT is nice, but OpenMoko can contain the nice QT too! I'm looking forward for OM! Simon ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mail

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Scott Rushforth
fwiw -- I just installed the qtopia images, and am _very_ impressed. On bootup my phone told me I had new text messages, and displayed them very easily. I even sent a text without issue. Phone calling works, for both incoming and outgoing calls, the only hitch was that I had to manually set

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Derek Pressnall
On 9/18/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > Quite simply if you have an X server running and you launch an app using QT > it will read the libraries and launch. Same with a GTK app. > > Of course there may not be room in the ROM for both, b

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organised feel which makes it e

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

2007-09-18 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Monday 10 September 2007 12:47:26 Giles Jones wrote: > Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > This not because Apple or AT&T are evil. It's actually a bug (or call it > > a design shortcoming) and could happen to anyone. > > I'd actually call it ignorance or lack of information from

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

2007-09-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 10 September 2007 12:18:39 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. > > Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (roughly 4USD) > per month. I meant to say MB, obviously. signature.asc

Re: Buglabs

2007-09-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:30:01 hank williams wrote: > modules. It sounds like hardware is frozen, or close to frozen. Moreover, > If what they told me in person (and whats on their website) is true, they > will be releasing four modules by the end of the year. But none of the > modules they

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Tilman Baumann wrote: But thats how it is. Opensource is just about freedom to choose. The more choices the better... My big question about Qtopia for Neo is whether or not Trolltech will be willing to take back changes. I've had some challenges in the past g

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

2007-09-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 10 September 2007 12:03:05 Raphaël Jacquot wrote: > Normally it does not cost US users for domestic data transfers, but the > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (rough

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On 9/3/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS I just keep wondering how hard it would be for us opensource prople to set up a network of assistance servers? Would a PC with an us

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On 9/18/07, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also prefer GTK+ and have invested some time developing an application > on my Neo with it. I find it very easy to develop and test on my GNOME > based desktop (Ubuntu) and re-compile for the Neo. I hope OpenMoko > continues down the same route. > > J

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Tilman Baumann wrote: Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On 9/3/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS I just keep wondering how hard it would be for us opensource prople to set up a network of assistance serv

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

2007-09-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2007 03:27:24 Mikko Rauhala wrote: Now, for the relevant part. I want an open digital camera. So, hey, OpenMoko guys (or somebody else in the consumer device business and into openness), when you're well on your way to having revolutionized the mob

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread thomas.cooksey
Has anyone seen these benchmarks: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html It compares Cairo (what GTK+ uses) against QT. When it comes to rendering, I believe Qtopia & QT use the same code. So ignoring X, "Qt was respectively 7, 5 and 6 times faster. Than Cairo in those plain tests."

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

2007-09-18 Thread OJW
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 19:12, Ian Stirling wrote: > It must have wi-max, and be able to fly up to several kilometers, to > take pictures for use with the OM mapping system. Need to integrate with these guys... http://diydrones.com/ [phone with GPS and camera being used to fly a model aircr

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen these benchmarks: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html It compares Cairo (what GTK+ uses) against QT. When it comes to rendering, I believe Qtopia & QT use the same code. So ignoring X, "Qt was respectively 7, 5 and 6 times faster. Than

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Simon
> Can someone _please_ give me a technical reason why they believe GTK+ is > "better"? The only arguments I've seen on this list are philosophical ones. > The > only technical argument has been that you can run applications on the phone > and > have them appear on your desktop thanks to X. Surely

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread thomas.cooksey
>Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With >openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application >to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of >major sections of the code. So you're saying Qtopia makes it harder to port desktop applic

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

2007-09-18 Thread Attila Csipa
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 03:27:24 Mikko Rauhala wrote: > Presumably, this is all due to some sort of petty marketing policy to > intentionally cripple the software on consumer goods with the goal to > increase demand for their other devices. As someone having a clue or at I've seen many photo

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Vincent
On 18/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With > >openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application > >to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of > >major sections of the

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of major sections of the code. Also, one possible solution to this wo

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of major sections of the code. So you're saying Qtopia makes it harde

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread thomas.cooksey
>Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With >openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application >to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of >major sections of the code. Also, one possible solution to this would be to run an x serve

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Thomas Wood
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 19:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anyone seen these benchmarks: > http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html > > It compares Cairo (what GTK+ uses) against QT. When it comes to rendering, I > believe Qtopia & QT use the same code. So ignoring X, > > "Qt w

RE: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread thomas.cooksey
>Would you really say either gnome or is wasted effort and should be >discontinued? Or vim/gnome,linux/bsd,gecko/webkit/mysql/postgres... Yes, it's my personal belief that these projects all represent wasted effort and that if they cooperated they'd achieve more. I always get a nice warm fuzzy

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 18:00:51 Giles Jones wrote: > Typically the argument for QT is ease of programming, there's a good IDE > called KDevelop. GTK's argument typically is that it's GPL and faster. Actually. GTK's argument is that it is LGPL and thus free for use by commercial apps whereas

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Scott Rushforth wrote: Phone calling works, for both incoming and outgoing calls, the only hitch was that I had to manually set the alsa levels using gsmhandset.state. That's a helpful hint. It appears to be the case that audio doesn't work for other apps as

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
A couple other differences, QT is C++ based, whereas GTK is C based, so depending on what your preferences are... Also, isn't GTK licenesed as LGPL, whereas QT is GPL? So commercial developers will need to pay for a seperate license for QT if they make non-GPL apps, whereas GTK's license is more

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Giles Jones wrote: Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 Ironic given one of their Greenphone guys was slagging the OpenMoko project a while back. That greenphone guy was me

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael Schmidt wrote: Thanks, but why is the Neo phone not a small laptop? that all can be installed, at least for the needed libraries. So a GTK gui still makes sense... Greenphone then can as well join OPENMOKO platform, and if greenphone uses only QT, is then the GTK application working? -

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
I think that the GTK front end for the Neo has a lot of potential that the Qtopia front end may miss, so a strategy that borrows from both systems would be good for us early adopters. Er, the dev kit appears to be missing openssl, which could be a problem. Also, announcements aside, I don't se

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Sep 2007, at 21:39, Lorn Potter wrote: That greenphone guy was me. and if you read that actual post, I made no 'slagging' remarks about OpenMoko or their project. Some of my friends and colleagues, whom are very great engineers work for OpenMoko. The point I was making about that p

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Tilman Baumann wrote: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organi

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Mauro Iazzi
On 18/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone seen these benchmarks: > http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html > > It compares Cairo (what GTK+ uses) against QT. When it comes to rendering, I > believe Qtopia & QT use the same code. So ignoring X, > > "Qt was

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Lorn Potter wrote: Try ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/tech-preview/ Sweet, thanks! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

opensource aerial photography project (was Re: OM Camera - a new angle)

2007-09-18 Thread Robin Paulson
On 19/09/2007, OJW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 19:12, Ian Stirling wrote: > > It must have wi-max, and be able to fly up to several kilometers, to > > take pictures for use with the OM mapping system. > > Need to integrate with these guys... > > http://diydrones.com/ >

Re: opensource aerial photography project (was Re: OM Camera - a newangle)

2007-09-18 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:56 +1200, "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/09/2007, OJW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 19:12, Ian Stirling wrote: >> > It must have wi-max, and be able to fly up to several kilometers, to >> > take pictures for use with the O

Re: opensource aerial photography project (was Re: OM Camera - a newangle)

2007-09-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Steven Le Roux wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:56 +1200, "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/09/2007, OJW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2007 19:12, Ian Stirling wrote: It must have wi-max, and be able to fly up to several kilometers, to take pictures for

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973 (third, not second, Linux GPL'd phone stack).

2007-09-18 Thread Ian Darwin
Please remember that this is the third, not the second, Linux-based phone stack for the Neo1973. Sun, at JavaOne in May, showed a working prototype of a Linux-based Java phone stack running on the Neo1973. There are many pictures of this on the web (look in the Press page on the OpenMoko wiki)

Re: Making GPRS/pppd connection.

2007-09-18 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski
I managed to connect and it's very nice and stable. All with help of SettingsGUI by Kriss. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research & Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capi

Re: opensource aerial photography project (was Re: OM Camera - a new angle)

2007-09-18 Thread Thomas Szukala
Robin Paulson wrote: On 19/09/2007, OJW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2007 19:12, Ian Stirling wrote: It must have wi-max, and be able to fly up to several kilometers, to take pictures for use with the OM mapping system. Need to integrate with these guys...

bluez-utils not building

2007-09-18 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
I'm sure I'm a little late reporting this one but here's the error I'm getting: *** Error: CONTROL/conffiles mentions conffile /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf which does not exist ipkg-build: Please fix the above errors and try again. NOTE: Task failed: ipkg-build execution failed NOTE: package bl