Several weeks ago Sean wrote:
I totally agree with your points. Please keep in mind that this was our
first design. And that we are using an ID design that simply wasn't made
for what this project has become. It was originally designed for a
completely different usage scenario.
I just came a
Well, if that is correct, I think I'll win an award for biggest foot in
mouth. Still, 492 + (500 * (1 - defect%)) isn't a very large number.
I guess only time will tell.
mathew davis wrote:
That is very exciting news. I look forward to more from Sean sortly.
How
did you find that article?
That is very exciting news. I look forward to more from Sean sortly. How
did you find that article?
On 6/15/07, Thomas Gstädtner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Some (pretty good) news:
http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip
2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL
Some (pretty good) news:
http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip
2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you
> have actually
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you
> have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are
> not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's.
Which assuming GTA-
I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973
pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are
*really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing.
Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of
opening it help, so you can see it really
I was the manager of software architecture for Gibson Audio. And
among other things, was responsible for overseeing the software
development for the Wurlitzer Digital Jukebox. Despite winning awards
at CES as an innovative new product, management couldn't find the
sweet spot in terms of man
Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you
have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are
not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's.
Ole Tange wrote:
I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973
pr
On 6/13/07, Duncan Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
denis wrote:
> That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not
> really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know.
>
In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this
device? I'm beginning
> On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
>> Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was
>> effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.)
guitar tuner?
i have to admit, this caught my eye too and set me wondering. i know
you said don't ask, butwhat? i'm intrig
On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:21:36 Jim Thompson wrote:
> parts on them... and the software is mostly done too!
>
> This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software.
Uhm the SVN is public and people actively run the software in qemu?
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On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:21, Jim Thompson wrote:
> Attila Csipa wrote:
snip...
> >> And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the
> >> phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then,
> >> I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of s
Attila Csipa wrote:
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was
effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.)
guitar tuner?
There were several delays,
And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the
pho
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
> Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was
> effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays,
> And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the
> phone and eventually you find another
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia środa, 13 czerwca 2007, Werner Almesberger napisał:
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this?
We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to
connect to JTAG (*), and our board has the corresponding conne
I agree. Different needs should be addressed in different products,
not everything put into one device. I understand people wanting an
OpenMoko keyboard phone. I don't have any real use for buttons on a
touchscreen phone, though. (Other than for gaming.)
Ortwin
On 6/11/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL P
On 6/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's all on the wiki. I beleive there is a page describing how to download and
set up the debugger. It's standard gdb (for ARM of course) with the
appropriate software (drivers?) for the Neo/USB interface card. I think the
USB port shows up
Dnia środa, 13 czerwca 2007, Werner Almesberger napisał:
> Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> > What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this?
>
> We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to
> connect to JTAG (*), and our board has the corresponding connector.
Debug board h
JTAG is basically a way to inspect and/or set each and every register on the
processor, not only the registers you're familiar with from a programmer's
point of view, but also registers that might hold the state of input and
output pins, etc. Also since you can control each register and single ste
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> used for "system exploration" when there are multiple devices on the
> bus.
We only have the Samsung MCU in the JTAG chain.
> What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this?
We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to
connect to JTAG (*),
Would you post more details about this please? I have used JTAG for
programming Atmel micros but am not yet very familiar with how it is
used for "system exploration" when there are multiple devices on the
bus. What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this?
On 6/12/07, [EMAIL PROTE
Duncan...
Let me just add to what Sudharshan said... There is a stunning amount
of variability in the mobile device supply chain. I used to work for
Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was
effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays,
including abou
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 09:26 -0400, Duncan Hudson wrote:
> In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this
> device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months
> ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along.
> Flame me all
On 13/06/07, Michele Manzato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John Seghers Wrote:
> Jonathon Suggs wrote
> > There will always be complainers, that is just life...ignore them.
>
> It is, indeed, the complainers that I was commenting on. The one
> that I quoted was complaining that stuff was being hidd
denis wrote:
That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not
really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know.
In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this
device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months
ago)
John Seghers Wrote:
> Jonathon Suggs wrote
> > There will always be complainers, that is just life...ignore them.
>
> It is, indeed, the complainers that I was commenting on. The one
> that I quoted was complaining that stuff was being hidden from us
> because FIC is working on new specs and hasn
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
On 6/12/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OpenMoko (the registered organisation, separate from FIC the company who
is creating the first piece of hardware designed for the OpenMoko
software) never promised open hardware. They promised
Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
> Given that this phone is meant to be opened and tinkered with
I'm not sure that that is actually the case. (Sean, please correct me
if I am wrong in the following - I will be pleasantly surprised if you
are able to do so).
Yes, the OpenMoko software is meant to be fully
Michele Manzato wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I can guess (some of) the reasons behind the plain
words. But then I wonder whether there is really any transparency in the
development of Neo/OpenMoko?
I can sympathize with you to an extent. I fully support the concept
and goal of OpenMoko. If I didn
Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
> Yes, most of the hardware designs and schematics aren't distributed,
Actually, I hope that we can release at least schematics of the
debug board and the immediate surroundings of the MCU. There seems
to be a lot of red tape surrounding all this, though :-(
> but there ar
On 6/12/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OpenMoko (the registered organisation, separate from FIC the company who
is creating the first piece of hardware designed for the OpenMoko
software) never promised open hardware. They promised open software
(the OpenMoko software, which is being
kenneth marken wrote:
> but the neo seems to be designed from day one to be made from virtually
> of the shelf parts. FIC is just the hired factory (like how apple do for
> their stuff or microsoft does for the xbox's), they hold no copyright or
> patent on the neo iirc. so if FIC comes up short, o
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Milan Votava writes:
You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC).
Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make
machines like HTC Universal a real free phones
Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer ra
Milan Votava writes:
>
>1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be
>implemented on a non existent (underpowered) device. Who in the World
>cares about things being discussed in this thread? People wants to
>use their pones, to make calls, send sms/mms/emails. I'm being tired
>to
Milan Votava writes:
>You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC).
>
>Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make
>machines like HTC Universal a real free phones
Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer rather than
with the m
On 6/13/07, Milan Votava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(sorry for my english)
I'm subscribed for this this thread for about 6m now. I don't want to
be rude but:
why so long? you must be interested or you would have long since left
1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be
why
Am Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007 01:42 schrieb Robin Paulson:
>
> are we duplicating work? familiar is 6+ years old, i'm sure they must
> have some good ideas that can be used? maybe we can make openmoko a
> fork from their project?
>
Robin,
please read down to the bottom of the status page.
All moder
damn, wrong address, sorry oleg. repost. twice
can someone at openmoko fix the auto-generated reply-to fields on this
mailing-list? every time this gets me
On 6/13/07, Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
HTC phones are commodity hardware that anybody can buy
right here and right now. Linux on
(sorry for my english)
I'm subscribed for this this thread for about 6m now. I don't want to
be rude but:
1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be
implemented on a non existent (underpowered) device. Who in the World
cares about things being discussed in this thread? People
Am Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007 00:31 schrieb Steven **:
>
> Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell
> phones. Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn't
> give them the information. And that's better than FIC how?
>
HTC phones are commodity hardware
(correction)
Because is clear who is a foe and who is a friend
Sorry, you are already too blinded to understand...
At 00:31 13.6.2007, Steven ** wrote:
Seems like
xda-developers.com is focused on
reverse engineering cell phones. Specifically because the company
that made those phones wouldn
Becose is clear who is a foe and who is a friend
Sorry you are to blinded to understand...
At 00:31 13.6.2007, Steven ** wrote:
Seems like
xda-developers.com is focused on
reverse engineering cell phones. Specifically because the company
that made those phones wouldn't give them the informa
Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell
phones. Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn't
give them the information. And that's better than FIC how? FIC is giving
us the information! How is that bad?
-Steven
On 6/12/07, Milan Votava <[EMAIL
You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC).
Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make
machines like HTC Universal a real free phones
Milan
At 22:51 12.6.2007, you wrote:
Jonathon Suggs wrote
> However, suggesting that people
> shoul
Jonathon Suggs wrote
> However, suggesting that people
> shouldn't be expressing their interests about features no matter how
> niche/picky/whatever is just plain wrong.
I specifically said, in my summary paragraph:
>>By all means give them feedback, tell them your desires, etc. But please
>>don
First, the mailing list is to be used for ideas and communication. You
are absolutely correct that FIC will have to make the final decisions
about what is and isn't included. However, suggesting that people
shouldn't be expressing their interests about features no matter how
niche/picky/whate
I agree definitely with the parts that I excerpted below from what John
said, and would further like to point out what I personally see as one of
the major strengths of this project: To show the world and other device
makers that there can be a market for open mobile devices/phones. Of course
this
> Michele Manzato wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong, I can guess (some of) the reasons behind the plain
> words. But then I wonder whether there is really any transparency in the
> development of Neo/OpenMoko?
One of the things I've seen while lurking on the list is the propensity for
people to want
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Sean Moss-Pultz
Inviato: lunedì 11 giugno 2007 19.01
A: Miguel A. Torres
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oggetto: Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
> [snip]
>
> Believe me when I say that we are working on new stu
rg; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oggetto: Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
> [snip]
>
> Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will
> address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months
> because of some major internal re-allocations and new events.
> Withi
On Monday 11 June 2007 19:00:42 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> I totally agree with your points. Please keep in mind that this was
> our first design. And that we are using an ID design that simply
> wasn't made for what this project has become. It was originally
> designed for a completely different us
2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will
address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months
because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within
about a month we should be more or less finished a
Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb:
> 2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will
>> address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months
>> because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within
>> about a
2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will
address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months
because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within
about a month we should be more or less finished a
Sean Moss-Pultz writes:
>
>On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Miguel A. Torres wrote:
>>
>> * Integrated keyboard and directional pads are not mere luxuries,
>> but necessities. They allow for safe one hand operation while
>> reducing touchscreen stress. Touchscreens are fragile (get
>> scratched e
[I'm CC'ing the community list because there's lots of points here
that go well beyond hardware.]
On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Miguel A. Torres wrote:
Hi,
Like many of you, I'm following the project with great enthusiasm.
This will surely demonstrate companies in the sector that open
sou
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