Naturally the iPhone UI is exciting... But I think that the UI possibilities
is an important
reason to choose the one over the other. Like; resistive displays allow you
to use
a stylus, which might be good when you have a small display but high
resolution. On the
other hand, a capacitive display ca
Vikas Saurabh wrote:
> I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
> might get excited with iPhone's UI.
>
> What we would have to remember:
> * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all
> the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the w
I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
might get excited with iPhone's UI.
What we would have to remember:
* capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all
the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun
of high reso is gone
Then a capacitive screen would do wonders for motivating the development
of proper finger-input on the keypad... ;-D
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vikas Saurabh wrote:
> > I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
> > might ge
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> for the same screen as currently used or at least the same
> quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is
> pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes
> pretty much failed)
Same for me:
1. Bigge
Michele Renda wrote:
[...]
> Same for me:
>
> 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit)
> 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :)
> 3. Current touch technology
And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are
sections unavailable on the screen because there is thi
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is
finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most "intimate" personal device.
There
Am Friday 21 November 2008 14:58:47 schrieb Lech Karol Pawłaszek:
> And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are
> sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border.
>
> I suppose it would be possible to make "borderless case" so my point be
> invalid.
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
damaging
things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be
preferable.
Best regards,
Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Michele Renda wro
Al Iasid ha scritto:
> IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not
> nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I
> don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as
> the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most
nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent
2008/11/21 Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
> damaging
> things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be
> preferable.
>
> Best regards,
>
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent
>
> 2008/11/21 Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
>> damaging
>> things to happen to the display...
My two reais.
My choince is a capacitive screen, and we must consider the user
finger interaction when developing applications.
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget, what we
NEED is an easy way to handle the phone, carry a stylus should not be
a good idea, is a step
Larger screen.
More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the
boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too
much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and
the on screen input.
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I agree that you don't need a stylus for all operations, and I don't
usually need one with the current touch screen, so I don't see why opt
for a less capable one (like the iPhone one).
Rui
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:29:35PM -0200, Denis Galvão wrote:
> My two reais.
>
> My choince is a capaciti
Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there
for a resistive screen?
Best regards,
Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I agree
Anton Persson wrote:
> Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
> a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there
> for a resistive screen?
This stylus is not much smaller than a finger tip.
I will not say that capacitive is bad, but it is
maybe it's just me,
but the pictures on http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php seem to
indicate that this is one big mother fucker of a stylus, i mean, the
diameter of the stylusis is almost as big as the surface of the tip of
you fingers you use to click... (keep in mind you use an area with a
muc
Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I know
several
people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to anything like
a
stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if it came
with
Free Software...
But the "novelty factor"-argument has be
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
a capacitive display.. So that's no argument for the classic type...
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Denis Galvo wrote:
>
> > Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadg
2008/11/21 Al Iasid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
> convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
> or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is
> finger-friendly. The cell ph
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote:
> 2008/11/21 Al Iasid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
> > convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
> > or low res - or big or small
To just view the current standings in the poll:
http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/509337-120694
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote:
> > 2008/11/21 Al Iasid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit.
The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution
matters too.
And even more important. Price and availability.
What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises
are you ready to m
I don't care about the poll. I care about a rich user experience, and
what the iPhone has of best is not due to the touchscreen (with the
exception of physical area and no huge border)
:)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Anton Persson wrote:
> To just view the current standings in the p
"Anton Persson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I
> know several
> people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to
> anything like a
> stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if
> it came with
>
On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
>> Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
>
> I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
So, give me a reason where you will need that.
Denis.
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> And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res
I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
my experience.
So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
> Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
Actually, the high-res is one of the highlights of the FR for me. So,
while I don't need 280dpi, I wouldn't settle for less than 200dpi for
a gadget I hold so close to my eyes.
Stefan
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 01:16:36PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
> form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
> my experience.
Apple has handled that quite nicely for a long time with one button
mice. But
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
[...]
> my experience is different. i didn't try iPhone myself, though. (i
> refuse to use anything from a company like apple,) but i know two people
Well. I have used iPhone for a while. It is indeed quite nice. Easy to
learn and fun to use.
> with iPhones and both w
OK, let's compare the number of sold units... How many iPhone 2G and 3G have
been sold? I figure it's quite a lot...
Of course you have to consider what compromises you have to make. What have
apple surrendered when they selected the capacitive screen instead of the
resistive? What have they gaine
+1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows
people's minds away atm...
2008/11/21 Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Denis Galvao wrote:
>>>On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
>>>
>>> I could not possibly disa
You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution
of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel,
can you not?
/Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that t
sorry for being imprecise. I was referring to the amazing resolution
considering the size of the display. The freerunner got 300 dpi IIRC.
For comparison, the iphone only seems to have 160.
I usually demo the crispness (if you will) of my neo's screen using
top on the terminal at the smallest read
Big resolution means better image quality.
We can run qvga apps on our vga screen, don't we? But how can we run
vga apps on qvga screen?
VGA screen is a step forward, QVGA is a step backward. For me it's clear.
Leonti
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Thorben Krueger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Why do we need capacitive display?
We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because
capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing
it in software.
Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more
finger-friendly. What I like about Freerun
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 13:16 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
> of input. It could be buttons on the sides (e.g. I could imagine
> a phone where you use one hand for the touchscreen while the other hand
> holds the phone and can
Hi,
I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet.
However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want
a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can
carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited?
The current OpenMoko co
I agree, VGA is a step forward.
But I don't think _anyone_ on this list would say that lower resolution is
better.
I wonder, why are people bringing up the resolution as a discussion topic
when everyone agrees on it?
Best regards
Anton
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Leonti Bielski
On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>
> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is
> bullshit.
+1
I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 replies,
and thought about replying.
Unless your email address ends in @openmoko.com, please keep
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Stroller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > I would like openmoko to do bold steps.
> > But they should also be careful.
>
> Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase.
> 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run
> $new.a
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make
> poor
> hardware decisions, but the opposite.
Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and
its strength is both UI and things just
He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware,
but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that
would
not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place.
/Anton
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, robert lazarski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Saturday 22 November 2008, Anton Persson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet.
>
> However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want
> a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can
> carry along eas
>
>
> > The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet
> > application or a word processor.
>
> For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me.
>
True, that's my own opinion. I think the display is too small and the input
method
is too hard. But I must c
On Saturday 22 November 2008, Anton Persson wrote:
> > > If you want those applications then you
> > > need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active
> > > you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your
> > > application only have _half_ a VGA display. This pra
Sometimes I wish this was Slashdot:
"Score: 5, Insightful"
:)
Stroller wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>
>> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is
>> bullshit.
>>
>
> +1
>
> I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 r
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 17:41 +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote:
> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit.
>
> The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution
> matters too.
>
> And even more important. Price and availability.
>
> What you want is
> Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
> a capacitive screen
afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work
with styli.
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2008/11/22 Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware,
> but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that
> would
> not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place.
>
> /Anton
>
> On Sat,
afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link:
http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
> > a capacitive screen
>
> afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requ
> afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link:
> http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php
well, that's not what "stylus" means and nothing sensible (why using a
thing that effectively mimics a finger into the big fat top), but ok.
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On Sunday 23 November 2008 16:59:18 Anton Persson wrote:
> afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link:
> http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
> > > a
Neil,
We could not have said it better. In my view the surveys serve a
good, albeit limited, purpose. They get ideas out in the open and expose
potential shortcoming of various design decisions. In the end, design
decisions are complex system dependent choices, choices made under
constrain
2008/11/22 Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would
> prefer to use
> on their future OpenMoko device.
>
> A not so scientific survey can be found at:
> http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html
is it possible to so
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