[openBmap] saving old log files

2013-09-24 Thread Patryk Benderz
Hello everybody, for those of you who are using openBmap on FreeRunner, there were issues with uploading old files with scanned BTS and AP. To rescue all this valuable data please read this: https://sourceforge.net/p/myposition/discussion/785485/thread/7ed0d6e8/?limit=25 For the rest: sorry

Re: openBmap: API troubles

2012-01-31 Thread Onen
Hi Michael, could you check your config file, and if the URLs point at realtimeblog.free.fr, replace them by openbmap.org. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/upload/upl.php5 becomes http://openbmap.org/upload/upl.php5 http://realtimeblog.free.fr/getInterfacesVersion.php becomes

openBmap: API troubles

2012-01-30 Thread qxc
Hi, I'm just trying to access your API as described at http://openbmap.org/api/getGPSfromWifi.html but with no success. These are the RAW data I send to realtimeblog.free.fr: POST /api/getGPSfromWifiAPBSSID.php5 HTTP/1.1 Host: realtimeblog.free.fr Accept: text/xml, application/xml, */*

Re: openBmap

2012-01-18 Thread Onen
Hello, of course we are interested in any help. IIRC we do have a logging client for windows mobile. Nevertheless I do not work on it, Nick does (project's leader). As he does not follow this mailing list, I send right away an email to both of you. Thanks for your interest, Onen On

Re: openBmap

2012-01-10 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Epic Fail, Sergey! Did you understood, what Sergey meant to say? Could you explain? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments

openBmap

2012-01-09 Thread Сергей Попов
Hi, I'm work NET developer about 1 year in Russia Federation. At this moment I would like to take part in the opensource project. I pay attention to your project and would like to offer assistance in writing the software version for Windows Phone 7. Write if you are interested in my proposal.

Re: openBmap

2012-01-09 Thread Alex Samorukov
On 01/09/2012 01:10 PM, Сергей Попов wrote: Hi, I'm work NET developer about 1 year in Russia Federation. At this moment I would like to take part in the opensource project. I pay attention to your project and would like to offer assistance in writing the software version for Windows Phone 7.

OpenBmap: choosing a network for a tour

2010-09-13 Thread Florian Schlichting
Hi, I have several SIM cards from different networks. When planning a tour, I wonder which one to use for logging cells (in order for the log to be most generally useful). The cell display on the openbmap website is good but far from perfect (I can never be sure to actually see all the cells

Re: OpenBmap: choosing a network for a tour

2010-09-13 Thread Onen
this helps, Onen On 09/13/2010 03:29 PM, Florian Schlichting wrote: Hi, I have several SIM cards from different networks. When planning a tour, I wonder which one to use for logging cells (in order for the log to be most generally useful). The cell display on the openbmap website is good but far

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-24 Thread Yorick Moko
On 10/23/09, Baruch Even bar...@ev-en.org wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: when trying to install i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator/openbmap-locator_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-24 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Is there already a way to trick ogpsd into using the openbmap-locator dbus interface? or is that still future research/improvement? Not that I know of. I managed to use a configuration for fso-gpsd to use openbmap-locator but there is nothing that can merge the two signals and use

openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-23 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
on the phone as openBmap-locator from Baruch is the right way to go for performance, easiness, and privacy. I look forward to this :) Search for openbmap-locator, it already exists. Though it's still somewhat limited. I have tried it successfully but wasn't sure if you wanted to draw attention

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-23 Thread Baruch Even
Yorick Moko wrote: when trying to install i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator/openbmap-locator_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator/openbmap-locator_0.1_armv4t.ipk Installing openbmap

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-23 Thread Baruch Even
) to a third party. Local service on the phone as openBmap-locator from Baruch is the right way to go for performance, easiness, and privacy. I look forward to this :) Search for openbmap-locator, it already exists. Though it's still somewhat limited. I have tried it successfully but wasn't sure

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-23 Thread Baruch Even
Yorick Moko wrote: when trying to install i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator/openbmap-locator_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://cloud.github.com/downloads/baruch/openbmap-locator/openbmap-locator_0.1_armv4t.ipk Installing openbmap

Re: openBmap-locator (was Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API)

2009-10-23 Thread Onen
Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: ie. Results where the cellID = (sometimes for serving cell even when the FR display shows full signal strength). Perhaps openBmap-locator needs to collect a couple of results in a row if it doesn't already. Good point. My logger filters such LAC/CID

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: AFAIK, OpenBmap is told to import data from other projects We have imported the opencellid data once, to bring right now better coverage to the users. But this is supposed to be temporary. The target being to have only openBmap data or data from projects which share

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi Thomas, Thomas Landspurg wrote: Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Not all accurate, though. Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') Absolutely correct. Number is on your side. One of the main difference from the three

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Leonti Bielski wrote: So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? Please see the nice work from Christian Gagneraud in the archive about comparison of what's get logged/stored by CH, OBM and OCI logger/database: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049238.html Onen

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Thomas Landspurg wrote: Again , and clarifiacation: ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) OpenCellID: 433 574 cells CellHunter: 148 943 cells OpenBMap: 82 963 cells (sorry for talking the risk of being

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
you think.  and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? !!! I am trying to contact him since more than a week without success I find very ironic that you find more than a week thaat long. Onen -- Thomas LANDSPURG 8Motions Founder/CTO http

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
done once but I hope to integrate this much easily soon... I still hope to convince OpenBMap to don't recreate another database focused on OpenMoko but use and improve a general purpose project. I am sure that that's the spirit of Onen, but it seems that we had some communication issue that I should

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
with CellsHunter to integrate their database. I think this should be something done ~weekly; syncing the databases.  I still hope to convince OpenBMap to don't recreate another database focused on OpenMoko but use and improve a general purpose project. I can't see why openbmap would focus on OpenMoko more

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: OpenBmap stores this data: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/myposition/wiki/log_format * mcc * mnc * lon * lat * alt * heading * speed * hdop * vdop * pdop * swid: software id of the logger * swver: software

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Btw you all three (openbmap, cellhunter, opencellid) devels are warmly welcome to join FOSS-GPS -mailing list (http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss-gps) - I'd like to see discussion about the algorithms you use to calculate the position of the cells. It must be something else than just

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
,urllib OBMhunter submitter 0.1.0 maxi...@lambdacomplex.org Submits appropriate openBMap xml logs to cellhunter DB. Installation: Patch the openBMap logger library: patch obm_hunter-logger.py.patch Change the group name (gname), group password (gpass) and device id (a random number - check

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleirmaxi...@gmail.com wrote: I looked at common api to submit cells and found that the openmoko OBM logger app was missing *one* field (arfcn) that cellhunter api wanted. Both being opensource, here's my hackish solution to patch the OBM logger

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleirmaxi...@gmail.com wrote: I looked at common api to submit cells and found that the openmoko OBM logger app was missing *one* field (arfcn) that cellhunter api wanted.

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Hello Risto, note that strengh is already part of the opencellid api. As I've pointed out once, the problem is not all client have access to these data. So do we add all possible fields in the database? Out of the 45 millions of measures, only several millions might have all these data.

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Thanks for the information, I'll subscribe to it. 2009/9/6 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Btw you all three (openbmap, cellhunter, opencellid) devels are warmly welcome to join FOSS-GPS -mailing list (http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss-gps) - I'd like to see discussion about

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Yorick Moko
it, from an end-user point-of-view: openBmap has the most cells openBmap maps the most information all I want is as much cells as possible AND know that I'm logging everything that increases the quality of the data (AFAIK cellhunter logs less information) openBmap does the trick for both of them

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Yorick Mokoyorickm...@gmail.com wrote: this is how I see it, from an end-user point-of-view: openBmap has the most cells openBmap maps the most information all I want is as much cells as possible AND know that I'm logging everything that increases

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions I have some point of disagreement, but I would like first to stay polite and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? I am trying to contact him since more than a week without success 2009/9

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Yorick Moko
point of disagreement, but I would like first to stay polite and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? I am trying to contact him since more than a week without success 2009/9/3 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Yorick

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/3/09, Thomas Landspurg t.landsp...@8motions.com wrote: Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions I have some point of disagreement, but I would like first to stay polite and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? I am trying

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Onen
reasons not to. I think you should simply tell what you think. and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? !!! I am trying to contact him since more than a week without success I find very ironic that you find more than a week thaat long. Onen

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
I have no idea what's going on between you people but: Now that I had a little thought, I really don't care how many copies of the database we have. All I care about is that a) there's a way to use the data (=a client capable to locate me based on the GSM cells around me) b) the client uses the

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID provides a complete access to the data and the measures. OpenCellId added a CVS uploader

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Leonti Bielski
t.landsp...@8motions.com wrote: Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID provides a complete access to the data and the measures

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Petr Vanek
So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? For me it is a lot of fun to compete collecting cells. If it misses some data - let's just add more info about cells if necessary so then obm could import new data and everyone would be happy. Leonti yes, it is lots of fun :) , the website is

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
be happy. Leonti Leonti On 9/2/09, Thomas Landspurg t.landsp...@8motions.com wrote: Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
it from.. sorry for misleading..) is the number of ALL submits but to me it looks like that the no of cells is around 141371 (NCG) + 7572 (OCnG) = 148 943 cells. The rest are just more gps information for a single cell. Am I wrong? So to recap: OpenBMap: 479740 cells (of which 82963 are 'trusted

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Again , and clarifiacation: ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) OpenCellID: 433 574 cells CellHunter: 148 943 cells OpenBMap: 82 963 cells (sorry for talking the risk of being the 'bad' guy agin, but at the end

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Thomas Landspurgt.landsp...@8motions.com wrote:  Again , and clarifiacation:  ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) Yes, I knew that OBM had imported from OCI but to me the only thing that

cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-01 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: How does CellHunter compare with OpenBMap ? I think someone could write a wiki page about this and include it in FAQ's :) CellHunter: 7milj cells, clients: http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html and http://www.opkg.org

Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

2009-08-26 Thread Thomas Landspurg
way is to use the email mentionned in the Web page! ;-)     I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great     thing to merge our projects !     The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !     My concern would be about the quality of your data

Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

2009-08-26 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 08:38:05 Thomas Landspurg wrote: [...] Sorry for hijacking this thread, but... are you the Mr. Vectorballs Thomas Landspurg or someone else? Cheers, LPA of TGM-Crew / Thrust / Threat / Traitors / Supreme. ___ Openmoko

Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

2009-08-26 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Heu, yes, thats, me too ( http://landspurg.net/tomsoft/Demos/ ) ;) 2009/8/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de: On Wednesday 26 August 2009 08:38:05 Thomas Landspurg wrote: [...] Sorry for hijacking this thread, but... are you the Mr. Vectorballs Thomas Landspurg or someone

Re: [ALL] openbmap logger and quit (power, accidental close, etc...)

2009-08-23 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:57:12PM +0200, Onen wrote: Anyone knows if can I freely change this value? :) This one is free to change. Nevertheless, we consider that above this, the GPS position becomes inaccurate. Thus we fear this brings only low quality data. Ok, thanks! :) --

[ALL] openbmap logger and quit (power, accidental close, etc...)

2009-08-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi, Yesterday night I did about 350 Km of scanning, and the phone was plugged to an USB car charger I bought (from TuxBrain). Unfortunately, even though the phone was in charging mode, it seems that while using the GPS is wastes more battery than the charger can give it, so even though it lasted

Re: [ALL] openbmap logger and quit (power, accidental close, etc...)

2009-08-22 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
battery than the charger can give it, so even though it lasted longer, somewhere near the end the phone just powered off. Is there a way to recover the logging that was done and maybe upload it, or is it all on RAM and tough luck for me? Thanks, Rui -- Just open openBmap and click Upload

Re: [ALL] openbmap logger and quit (power, accidental close, etc...)

2009-08-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
and tough luck for me? Just open openBmap and click Upload. Logs are splitten into smaller files, you'll probably lost only really small part of your logging near end. Ah, good, I feared they were just in memory. Anyways, sniffing around the files I saw that the maximum GPS speed for logging

Re: [ALL] openbmap logger and quit (power, accidental close, etc...)

2009-08-22 Thread Onen
car. As another response states, maybe your charger brings less power than mine... Is there a way to recover the logging that was done and maybe upload it, or is it all on RAM and tough luck for me? Just open openBmap and click Upload. Logs are splitten into smaller files, you'll probably lost

Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-08 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
I reflashed om2009 (latest unstable) only to see that paroli can't always login to network (well actually now that I mention it, I was able to see it also on the previous isntallatin - paroli often gave me the about 10 error messages..) here are last lines from /var/log/paroli.log

Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-08 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
restarting a couple of times lets me use paroli, gps and everything with no problems! I actually was able to run 4 apps at the same time using gps, not bad! And Paroli connects to gsm networks nicely. Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi

Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-07 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
.   I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone   can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps   (using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap or   tango, it changes to fso and things sometimes work. Well I request GPS ressource

Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
be a good idea, if FSO can handle more than one app doing it: this way I shouldnt have to run other apps if I just want to log stuff. FSO can handle more than one app requesting resource (that's what resources are supposed to do by design), but then openBmap will have to implement PIN handling

(om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing

2009-08-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Hi! I'm travelling with om2009 unstable from about 2 weeks ago. I'm having hard time running openbmap and recording cells, most of the times it crashes when I try to start it. If paroli doesn't run, it wont start at all. I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone can't

Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-06 Thread Onen
and running, requested by another application, I am not sure of how nice it handles it. I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps (using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-08-01 Thread Yorick Moko
(1year inactivity on a pre-paid SIM -- SIM gets deactivated) it said SOS only but openBmap could see anything didn't try AT commands... y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-31 Thread Onen
Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Onenonen...@free.fr wrote: Alex, could you be more specific, I am not sure to understand what you have in mind? Are you wondering if we could log cells from other operators with only one phone? Exactly. I don't know alot about

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jul 2009, at 11:35, Patryk Benderz wrote: ... Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM operators in all countries allow us to collect these data? The data is publicly observable, so I don't see how they can claim any copyright upon it. If you're drawing a map

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Strollerstrol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 28 Jul 2009, at 11:35, Patryk Benderz wrote: ... Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM operators in all countries allow us to collect these data? The data is publicly observable, so I

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Onen
Hi, thanks for pointing this email from Harald Welte. We have not looked much at the legal side. Because we found a lot of public work (research, etc.) about locating your phone thanks to GSM signals. We also found different projects which uses the GSM data, and log it. And as the data is

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Onenonen...@free.fr wrote: Alex, could you be more specific, I am not sure to understand what you have in mind? Are you wondering if we could log cells from other operators with only one phone? Exactly. I don't know alot about GSM. On one hand, you can see the

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-28 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM operators in all countries allow us to collect these data? -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-28 Thread Marcel
Am Dienstag, 28. Juli 2009 12:35:47 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM operators in all countries allow us to collect these data? This data is kinda obvious, one could also walk around and look for GSM anntennas... How would they

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-27 Thread Tony Berth
Thanks Onen. You are right but I would like to have a 'clear statement' about the cell logging process. If I use one of those 2 applications and submitt my data, do I contribute to the community? That's my goal as a 'regular and dummy user'! I am willing to help but what's the best way to

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-27 Thread Onen
of the two projects, you contribute to the community, because the data is available from both projects. But I (of course ;-) ) thinks it is better to use openBmap. I am willing to help but what's the best way to achieve the most? I am not sure this should be my role. I mean, I can give you

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-26 Thread Onen
Hi, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: For me, the average position markers on the website map give a good but simple indication of how well covered an area is. I don't know of any openmoko gps programs that can handle overlaying colored regions but individual points are represented in Navit

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-26 Thread Onen
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/7/26 Onen onen...@free.fr: What do you mean by having the tiles? Instead of having the regular OSM tiles, and overlay the cells positions, you would have a directly rendered tile set with cells included? yes. i'd like to see locations while i'm on the go, so i

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-26 Thread Onen
Hi, Onen wrote: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: I've tried using the API page at http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/getGPSfromGSM.html but it never returns useful results for me even when the map shows a radius. For example given MCC: 505, MNC: 2, LAC: 2624, Cellid: 12213, I get ?xml

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-26 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: Onen wrote: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: I've tried using the API page at http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/getGPSfromGSM.html but it never returns useful results for me even when the map shows a radius. For example given

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-25 Thread Onen
Hi, this has been discussed a couple of times on this mailing list already. You will find the details in the archive here [1]. But to sum it up: We are focusing on quality of data, and not only quantity, because we believe otherwise we will have a big database of useless data. We are

[openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Onen
Hi everyone, Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells on the website [1]. You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level of zoom), LACs and cells. When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the item. This is

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level of zoom), LACs and cells. When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the item. Wow! This is very useful for planning cell id

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/25 Onen onen...@free.fr: Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells on the website [1]. You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level of zoom), LACs and cells. When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in tangogps and see

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Yorick Moko
nice work onen/nick! y On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/26 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells rendered on an alternative

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Onen
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: is there any work to get this data into the osm database? No. i assume the license is compatible? Yes. it would be great to get existing cells rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Onen
Hi, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells rendered on an alternative tile set,

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Onen
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/7/26 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as KML, it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs (although then you'd have alot of POIs). What would be the purpose of displaying the

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread mqy
Onen, glad to see openBmap gets better and better, congratulation :) best regards, mqy Onen wrote: Hi everyone, Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells on the website [1]. You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level

Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)

2009-07-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/26 Onen onen...@free.fr: hmm, that sounds slow and clumsy imo; i'd far rather have the tiles. as the license is compatible, i might look at importing it myself. i think there's a tag in osm, but i can always create one if there isn't What do you mean by having the tiles? Instead of

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-24 Thread Tony Berth
are available in SHR, FSO, Debian, etc feeds. opkg|apt-get install openbmap-logger ! SUMMARY: The purpose of this software is to log GSM data, together with GPS coordinate. This data are sent to the website (www.openbmap.org), in order to build a free database. Possible uses

[openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-23 Thread Onen
openbmap-logger ! SUMMARY: The purpose of this software is to log GSM data, together with GPS coordinate. This data are sent to the website (www.openbmap.org), in order to build a free database. Possible uses of this database: * get your location based on the current GSM cell you are connected

[openBmap] [Debian] New release of GSM cells logger 0.3.2: now in Debian feeds

2009-07-19 Thread Onen
Hi everyone, a new release has hit the repositories, version 0.3.2. Main highlight: openbmap-logger is now in the Debian feeds thanks to Sebastian Reichel! Summary === The purpose of this software is to log GSM data, together with GPS coordinate. This data are sent to the website

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Christian Gagneraud
). Unfortunately because I haven't seen my username(lambdacomplex)/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps? in tour $HOME/.openBmap/Logs, i think there's

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Hi Risto, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: - Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make sure it has 3d fix, You don't need to. If you start logging, it will log data *only* if GPS has 3d fix, and GSM data

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Hi, I think precisely the same. Thanks for the nice comments. Onen kimaidou wrote: Hi + 1 for the hard steps to see the polygone of one cell in the map trrough all the lists. Why not just show all the cells in the current zoom level, from e.g zoom level 14 or 15 (to avoid loading to

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Hi Alex, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it delete the processed ones (After the Successfully uploaded (52) log files dialog). Unfortunately because I haven't seen my username(lambdacomplex)/cells on the stats page or the

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Sorry, wrong link: http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/GUI_thoughts Onen wrote: Yep. Some work has been done on the gui. Please have a look and let me know if this goes in the right direction: http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/page/edit/GUI_thoughts Also I start thinking two

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Correct. Upload is working. Only processing is on test. Onen Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleirmaxi...@gmail.com wrote: I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it delete the processed ones (After the Successfully

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Onen
Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: in tour $HOME/.openBmap/Logs, i think there's an archive directory (ProcessedLog or similar). Not if he answered yes to the question about emptying it. But don't worry, no upload is lost. Onen ___ Openmoko

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Thanks onen for all your answers, they cleared many unclear things. I think it's essential for an FLOSS project leader / developer to communicate with the users to create a community of users who eventually will start contributing and support your work, see

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-10 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: The logs should not be lost. They just have not been detected, and processed by the (broken) server. Tweet is triggered when logs are detected. Yep! They've shown up today just as expected. Does it say anywhere what the

OpenBmap

2009-06-09 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Hi! I've been able to run openbmap (see opkg.org) for about a week now, here are some experiences: - Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make sure it has 3d fix, press the 'generate' -button (that'll

Re: OpenBmap

2009-06-09 Thread kimaidou
in this or that area ? If not, ok, I go there where there is no cell registered, and do som logging. Anyway, thanks for this great app. 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi Hi! I've been able to run openbmap (see opkg.org) for about a week now, here are some experiences: - Collecting cell id's is MUCH

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