Hi all.
There has been a lot of discussion about what is justified and necessary. I
personally have no problem with showing my identity card to Afrinic, and have
done so. It's not like my identity is a secret :)
My contact info is well documented in the RIPE database:
person: Sander
Hi Omo,
> Thanks. I was trying to understand the dialogue between you and Lu and the
> "clarification". How do you mean "may be of influence"?
At AFRINIC meetings I have seen many cases where there was a lot of "steering"
(people being sent to the microphones with pre-defined statements
Hi Omo,
> Have you heard of anyone from RIPE or any of the other RIRs being canvassed
> in this manner? Or is AFRINIC special?
As far as I know this is only happening in AFRINIC. But the way AFRINIC deals
with its members and community is also "unique". Other RIRs have a much less
Hi Lu,
> To my understanding, NRS is not trying to make representation of
> anyone here in the community, and it never did, it's passing on a
> teaching/a view of the world some might find acceptable, some may find
> not.
Thank you for that clarification.
Cheers,
Sander
Hi Lu,
> An avocation does not constitute policy. An private NGO can not make top down
> policy in the society. Afrinic can not, NRS can not.
As Owen told me "It is intended to be (to some extent) a lobbying group on
behalf of its members.". Even if it is just limited to that, it goes against
Hi,
> Yep attached another one.
That attachment looks like they are trying to form another RIR to replace
AFRINIC by making promised about future policies that they (top-down) will
implement. That is so disgusting and inappropriate. There are many things that
AFRINIC has done that I
Hi John!
> “As easy as” may understate it somewhat, but yes, I believe that is
> the case. (I will note that this is similar to the process which
> would have to occur for delivering support from the Joint RIR
> Stability Fund - if such gets requested at some point.)
Yeah, I was wondering about
Hi John,
> These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any
> cause to ask. [...] I find it quite encouraging that so many
> organizations have already pondered these questions, and (in
> recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the development and
> growth of Internet in
I just looked up the timeline, and for AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-08 it basically
means that the authors have to submit a new version that addresses all the
feedback received on all the version of AFPUB-2016-GEN-001 before the 7th of
June 2020, or their proposal expires automatically.
Cheers,
Hi,
> Can you point to the section of the PDP which allows chairs to make such
> decision?
I'd say that "3.6 Varying the Process" would apply here, although that is
written in a way that the only variation seems to be to expedite the process.
> We have to stick to the PDP which has been
Hi,
> The best thing to do with the review policy is to abandon it. Unfortunately,
> despite sustained opposition and an inability to bring it to consensus, the
> authors persist.
At some point the chairs are perfectly allowed to declare non-consensus and
drop the proposal. It's their
Hi Noah,
> Please may we stop the divisive posts. The way I see it, the thread was about
> a spamming broker. Why then insult an independent unrelated individual.
> Perhaps stopping these practices will help the community.
The same principle applies: there have been multiple people and
Hi,
> The problem isn't that JSON is hard to parse, my problem is that
> fields in the JSON returned are not
> documented and that different registries return different JSON
> formatted fields.
>
> Also because JSON also doesn't allow inline comments, I personally
> prefer a well commented CSV
Hi,
> I agree with your if we mean summary of the discussion, but actually I was
> meaning summary of the proposal, which in fact is already requested in the
> proposal forms and is already done by authors. Sometimes that's more a single
> paragraph, so in those cases I think it should be up
Hi,
> • Your email was read as an implication that the ASO was supporting said
> candidates – which I don’t think anyone believes – and the question has been
> asked in multiple regions to clarify this
I have asked my local representatives. I think it is up to the ASO/AC to
determine if they
Hi Jordi,
> I think this should not be done by third parties, but authors and staff (see
> our previous email on this about a 1-2 pages PDF), not going into 2 and 3
> above and making sure that is done 1 week before the meeting, so only
> *latest* proposals/versions are considered.
I accept,
Hi Sami,
> So wafa use her public email too :-)
Again: it doesn't matter which email address you use, when in the content of
the message you claim affiliation.
Cheers,
Sander
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Hi Sami,
> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one (sustech.sd),
> however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the people the ground
> where I stand when I say something.
Exactly.
Sander
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Hi Sami,
(re-sending because the previous email had a wrong from address)
> I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators
> (I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat
> of AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The
Hi,
> (1) Larus Foundation sponsors events in different regions in addition to
> those in Africa. For example, very recently we have sponsored a few
> candidates of different ethics to attend ICANN in Morocco.
You might want to check your geography there and pick a different example
I
Hi Seun,
> It is good that we all act in good faith; With sense of responsibility, I
> believe it will be helpful to advice the Board to ensure that the role of the
> interim CEO and that of the FD does not conflict. That IMO should be a good
> and helpful feedback to the Board.
Great!
Hi Seun,
> SO: Exactly; there is no personnel with a CFO title in AFRINIC at the moment.
> I hope that removes the confusion addresses your other comments below.
Sigh. CFO is not a title, it's a role description. It means "chief financial
officer" and it is the person responsible for managing
Hi Seun,
> 1. AFRINIC does not have a CFO at the moment
This statement continues to worry me… If there is no CFO then those
responsibilities automatically fall with the CEO. And according to bylaws 15.6
the CEO and CFO positions cannot be held by the same person. So Afrinic *HAS*
to have a
Hi Seun,
> I wrote you offlist just to humbly educate you and I think you could have
> requested clarification since you seem to be confused with my response.
>
> Again I maintain what I had earlier written to you privately:
>
> 1. AFRINIC does not have a CFO at the moment
So you're saying
Hi Boubakar,
> That board member should be bold enough to post the information on this list.
I agree, but considering that I got the reply explicitly off-list I didn't want
to name them.
> Or is this a strategy to divide the board by having them suspect each others?
No, as far as I know there
Hi Noah,
>> > AFRINIC does not have a CFO at the moment, besides the Board appointed an
>> > interim CEO not an actual CEO; there is a whole difference in that in
>> > terms of their powers.
>
> Actually our AfriNIC director Seun is correct :-) and now you know.
So there was a conscious
Hi,
Ok, now I am getting conflicting input.
> Hello all,
>
>> Op 16 jun. 2019, om 21:37 heeft Sander Steffann het
>> volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> As Community are aware, Mr Alan Peter Barrett, the Chief Executive Officer
>>> of AFRINIC, submitted hi
Hi Walu,
> Maybe Patrisse Deesse can multi-task?
>
> As in be the Interim CEO while still overseeing Finance?
No, the bylaws explicitly don't allow that.
Cheers,
Sander
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Hello all,
> Op 16 jun. 2019, om 21:37 heeft Sander Steffann het
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> As Community are aware, Mr Alan Peter Barrett, the Chief Executive Officer
>> of AFRINIC, submitted his resignation on 27 April 2019 with effect from 26
>> July 2019.
Hi,
> As Community are aware, Mr Alan Peter Barrett, the Chief Executive Officer of
> AFRINIC, submitted his resignation on 27 April 2019 with effect from 26 July
> 2019.
>
> At its meeting of 14 June 2019, the Board appointed Mr Patrisse Deesse, the
> Finance Director, as Interim Chief
> Please take your time to read and don't let your emotion (as usual) takes
> over your common sense.
No worries Benjamin, at the moment my only emotion is laughter :)
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Hi,
Call to the chairs: can you please stop people on this list from making ad
hominem attacks against me? I've been called Satan before, now I'm called evil.
Despite the entertainment value this is getting a bit annoying...
Cheers,
Sander
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Hi Noah,
> Read the bylaws especially section 13.8
When there is no candidate then the current director will be re-appointed.
Appointed != Elected.
>> No election -> no Directors
>
> Board can appoint.
True. My statement was exaggerated. My apologies.
An appointed board does not have a
Hi,
> All of the applicable definitions require the ability (right) to freely
> choose. When there is no choice, there is no election.
And to be perfectly clear on this: as there is no election, I believe this
violates section 13.7(i) of the Afrinic bylaws, as those explicitly state:
"""
Hi Owen,
> Given that the none-of-the-above option has been removed from AfriNIC
> elections, should not the NomCom have a mandate to seek at least two
> candidates for any position before declaring a final slate?
>
> Otherwise, this basically gives the NomCom the authority to appoint members
Hi Benjamin,
> When I asked you to prove your hasty generalization “all responsibility and
> autonomy of the CEO has been taken away”, you disappeared, and no answer
> never come. It stands now there is no way you can justify because the
> “micromanagement” you are accusing the board to
Hello Benjamin,
> In your email to the community, you wrote
>
> > I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has
> > to deal with.
>
> I have read the minutes and I could not see any trace that is related to
> “micro-management”. Rather the discussion revolved
Hello,
I was just reading the board minutes at
https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf and I am
surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to deal
with. In those minutes both Alan and Seun Ojedeji seem to be reprimanded for
being open and
Hello,
> I am new to this discussion, can someone update about the topics.
There is a lot of history. I suggest you go to
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/ to read up on what has
been happening here. You can find the full history of this list there.
Cheers,
Sander
Hi Owen,
> Asking for documents is not, in itself, an attack and should never be
> perceived as such.
Looking at the past is a good way to learn for the future. George Santayana had
a good quote about that.
Afrinic has ended up in a difficult position after the last AGMM, and it is
good when
Hi Alan,
> I attach it here.
Great. Thanks!
Sander
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Hi Alan,
> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I
> have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion
> SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry.
Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and
Hi Andrew,
> I am also waiting for an acknowledgement of this request – I requested the
> same thing from the members list and via the board – and there is deafening
> silence.
By now I have given up all hope that that court case even exists... Hopefully I
am just being pessimistic :)
Hi,
> I am pleased to announce that the Supreme Court of Mauritius has made an
> order, under case reference SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018
I can't seem to find that case on their website. Can you please post the full
order?
Thanks!
Sander
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Hi,
> Please find in attachment
Ah, it was sent only to the announce list and not to the community list. I
think that is why some people missed it. Considering this I think Andrews
request to extend the deadline a bit sounds reasonable. Not that I personally
have any comments, but just to
Hi Wafa,
> the Govcom received your email and is dealing with your request.
> please note that we communicated on bylaws review on 29 October and the email
> you replied to is a reminder.
Thanks for your reply! However:
The text "we invite the community to make comments" read like this was a
Hello Christian,
> The GC provided the redacted version of the report on the 25th of June 2018
> which is published at:
> [https://afrinic.net/images/afrinic-investigation-redacted-report-20180621-en.pdf]
Very much appreciated. Thank you for publicly publishing what seems to be a
version of
Hello,
> It is a widely-accepted principle that, if a written process is silent on
> some point, then the intent should be considered.
[...]
> The Board recognises the objections that were raised a few days after the
> election, on Wednesday 16 May 2018, but notes that no objections were
Hi,
> Step back for a minute before you and ask yourself:-
>
> 1. How is what I’m going to say helping Afrinic?
> 2. Am I being civil to whoever I disagree with? I believe we are civil enough
> to disagree without hurling insults and abuses at each other?
Thank you, wise words. To those who
Hi,
> You will tell us in this community that we are fools if we cannot be
> convinced that you and your friends are the authors of that message. what are
> you talking about.
I (or any of my friends as far as I am aware) had nothing to do with the
publication of that message. As far as I can
Hi Markus,
> I am not surprise you are that you are sharing the "BAD NEWS" about the mess
> you and your friends from RIPE and ARIN are causing in AfriNIC in Community.
> This is a clear evidence that you are deploying your strategy to destroy
> AfriNIC. This is wicked and would come from EVIL
Hello,
> Dear Mark,
>
> The Board at a special meeting held on the 18th of April 2018 had the
> opportunity to reconsider your request to include a standard resolution in
> the upcoming AGMM agenda. The Board has decided not to include it in the
> agenda inline with section 12.14(ix) of the
Hi Evelyn,
> I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser
> concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses carry
> the same weight and therefore should be treated with the same level of
> urgency.
I personally feel that the sexual allegations
Hi Isabel,
> PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten?
He doesn't seem to have been the person violating the NDA, so that part of the
accusation doesn't relate to him.
Cheers,
Sander
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Hi Boubakar,
> Can someone summarize this for us? I anticipate that it will be very much
> appreciated.
Sure! In fact, Andrew already anticipated most of that in his email:
> The summary though is as follows:
>
> – YES the members can remove a director – the process would be as follows:
>
>
Hi,
> AFRINIC is calling for comments on a revision to the Registration Service
> Agreement (RSA). The draft revised RSA may be found at
> https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf
>
> This revision to the RSA is necessary to allow transfers in accordance with
> the
Hi,
> This is worrying.
>
> A former board member using privileged insider information to demand
> accountability and transparency from current board members.
Indeed, it is worrying that insider knowledge is necessary to know what
information to ask for. That already shows a lack of
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