On 31 Mar 2004, at 21:00, Jeff Walther wrote:
I assume in the case you mention above that the chip in question was
one-time-programable, OTP? An EEPROM which was mis-flashed should
have
been erasable unless the chip was destroyed, e.g. by applying the wrong
voltage to the wrong pin or something
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 01:55:00PM -0800, Robert Little wrote:
I use that Plus for writing and even running some of the older
astronomy apps.
Did somebody say the "a" word. :-D
Which astronomy applications will work on a compact Mac (say an SE
or an SE/30), and be bearable with the small screen
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 01:55:00PM -0800, Robert Little wrote:
> I use that Plus for writing and even running some of the older
> astronomy apps.
Did somebody say the "a" word. :-D
Which astronomy applications will work on a compact Mac (say an SE
or an SE/30), and be bearable with the small scr
Hi, Jeff.
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> I assume in the case you mention above that the chip in question was
> one-time-programable, OTP? An EEPROM which was mis-flashed should have
> been erasable unless the chip was destroyed, e.g. by applying the wrong
> voltage to the wrong pin or somethi
I was joking about the collecting issue. Seriously,
though, I use that Plus for writing and even running
some of the older astronomy apps. I actually have an
upgraded 128-to-a-Plus and a beige Plus, but my
platinum late model Plus is the cat's meow. In our
kitchen, there resides a Classic II that i
> From: Phil Beesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:02:39 +0100
> Thanks for another informative post, Jeff. As far as programming
> *EPROMs goes, how easy depends where you live in the world. Last year
> or so, a work colleague mis-flashed an EEPROM in a PII motherboard. We
> che
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:58:02AM -0800, Robert Little wrote:
> To be honest, the whole ROM issue is one that I'd
> question. There are no doubt a number of issues
> regarding their lifespan, but many seem to proven
> false.
When you talk about the longevity of a manufactured product, you
are tal
> You mean you collect these things? Wow, I didn't know
> that they were considered that quaint!
Yes. I didn't start out wanting there to be a "collection" but one thing
led to another and now there is a LocalTalk network downstairs. :-P
> In the end, it's how you treat them. To use the old
> r
You mean you collect these things? Wow, I didn't know
that they were considered that quaint!
To be honest, the whole ROM issue is one that I'd
question. There are no doubt a number of issues
regarding their lifespan, but many seem to proven
false. For instance, I own an Apple II+, manufacture
date
Yeah thats true. Some of us (like me) grew up with compacts (Apple IIs
were old school for me, being born in '83). I get a new computer
basically once every 3-4 years or so. I have a superdrive 15 inch iMac,
iMac DV SE, and original iMac, to illustrate the every 3-4 years
progression. Regardle
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 03:07:23PM -0500, Matt Jordan wrote:
> more importantly: "How long will we care about them?"
[snip]
> A few years ago, the SE/30 (for example) was still very impressive (ok,
> well - it still is) because it was so easily comparable to a PowerMac G4
> running the classic Ma
Collectors will pay dearly and care for them as long as they hold some
kind
of value to the collectors.
This is true for sure. While my goal is not financial gain through the
long-term holding of old computers, this may turn out to be just the
case. Like the people who hung onto Model T and A F
On 30 Mar 2004, at 14:34, Jeff Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The good news is that there's probably a PC shop near you with an
EEPROM programmer who can copy your ROMs to a few sets of EEPROMs for
a modest price. Most non-volatile chips of a given size and
organization have a pinout similar
From: "Matt Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have recently begun to build an archive of old software for the Macs and
began to wonder about this topic as well. Not just "how long will this Mac
last" but more importantly: "How long will we care about them?"
Those who fell in love with them may ca
I have recently begun to build an archive of old software for the Macs and
began to wonder about this topic as well. Not just "how long will this
Mac last" but more importantly: "How long will we care about them?"
I love working with compacts and being a college student many friends
think it is
on 3/29/04 9:06 PM, Jeff Walther at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm not certain, but I think that true mask ROMs will last as long as
> any other fixed content chip. The problem (I think) comes from
> programmable devices. I have also heard the ~20 years lifetime. In
> some cases, the "ROM" i
Then again, we have to look at unplanned longevity as well. I have 60
year old radios with vacuum tubes that still function perfectly. No way
were those tubes made to last for that long. Good care and good
manufacturing can go along way. You just have to see how the components
hold up.
-John
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 11:06:14PM -0600, Jeff Walther wrote:
> Does anyone understand why, ten years or more after the EOL for a
> product, companies aren't willing to release these kinds of details
> to the hobbyist community? It's not like they're ever going to use
> that particular PAL des
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:10:01 -0500
From: "Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 07:11:41PM +1000, Charles M Gascoigne wrote:
I have a general question/topic for discussion - how long can compact
macs last, and what can be done to maximise their lives?
- ROM.
on 3/29/04 1:11 AM, Charles M Gascoigne at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a general question/topic for discussion - how long can compact
> macs last, and what can be done to maximise their lives? I usually take
> out hard drives to minimise heat, but are there any other measures or
> general ma
On 29 Mar 2004, at 10:11, Charles M Gascoigne wrote:
I have a general question/topic for discussion - how long can compact
macs last, and what can be done to maximise their lives? I usually
take out hard drives to minimise heat, but are there any other
measures or general maintenance which can
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 07:11:41PM +1000, Charles M Gascoigne wrote:
> I have a general question/topic for discussion - how long can compact
> macs last, and what can be done to maximise their lives? I usually take
> out hard drives to minimise heat, but are there any other measures or
> general
I have a general question/topic for discussion - how long can compact
macs last, and what can be done to maximise their lives? I usually take
out hard drives to minimise heat, but are there any other measures or
general maintenance which can be of help?
Cheers,
Charles
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