Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)

Could this have to do anything with the fact that you do can use Windows *without* touching the mouse and in a consistent way across applications? I know, the mouse is a lot easier to learn and use than the hundreds of keypress sequences a modern system can have, but I also can say for sure tha

Re: New Classic II

On 7/13/05, Jack Gallemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm..I'd agree the 3.x interfaces were much much much better than the > 9x/4.x ones. And within the context of the time period, only small > differences between Apple, Microsoft, GEM, etc. "Better"? No. Cleaner, simpler, clearer, more key

Re: New Classic II

On 13 Jul 2005, at 00:42, Jack Gallemore wrote: The list nanny could have stepped in a while ago, but I guess he hold his breath just as I did Yep - I'm still here, not wanting to curtail traffic on a quiet list, but keeping an 'overview' of conversations! ;-) Stuart -- Compact Macs is

Re: New Classic II

HehMe too. I love clean, unadulterated interfaces. I still prefer command line the best, though. Jack On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: And I agree with you on that as well. That's why I don't use Linux anymore (RH 3.x to 5.x was simply murder. So was the migration from

Re: New Classic II

> And I agree with you on that as well. That's why I don't use Linux > anymore (RH 3.x to 5.x was simply murder. So was the migration from > AOUT to ELF) But, again, we were discussing interface design and > aesthetics. Is there no BSD compliant window manager that is more > functional in d

Re: New Classic II

Honest, I am trying to keep it in context. Jack On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Dr.O.M.Betz wrote: Am 12.07.2005 um 13:27 Uhr schrieb Luke Brennan: Compact Macs.. That'd be MacOS 6.x or 7.x yeah? :-) Luke Yeah. Even 5.0 or 0.97 on the appropriate hardware. This one got a good laugh. You a

Re: New Classic II

On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Peter da Silva wrote: I was talking about the OS as well. I'm not talking about the OS. I'm talking about the user interface. JUST the user interface. Thanks for the clarification The user interface that Windows uses is based on a set of user interface guidel

Re: New Classic II

Am 12.07.2005 um 13:27 Uhr schrieb Luke Brennan: Compact Macs.. That'd be MacOS 6.x or 7.x yeah? :-) Luke Yeah. Even 5.0 or 0.97 on the appropriate hardware. This one got a good laugh. You are right over and again, Luke. But as much as I like to see this list on-topic, I am still fascina

Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)

> OK. I'm just confused then. If the mouse and pointer don't constitute user > interface then we have a semantics problem. What do you mean by "User > Interface"? I'm talking about the design of the user interface. Not the implementation. The screwed up scheduler that made the pointer jerky is the

Re: New Classic II

Stuart, If I remember correctly, I think the Compacts go all the way back to System 1.0 and various combos of system and finder from 1.1 through 2.1 -- but I do think he was referring to our deviation on talk of Windows, OSX, Linux, etc. :-) > From: Stuart Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 12 Jul 2

Re: C2 8.1 (was New Classic II)

On 7/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, > > Shouldn't the same procedure to get 8.1 on an SE/30 work on the Classic II? Sadly not. And 8.1 on a 10MB 16MHz '030 on a 6-bit bus wouldn't be pleasant. But the 8.1 GUI, with things like popup folders, would be handy on that t

Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)

On 7/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK. I'm just confused then. If the mouse and pointer don't constitute user > interface then we have a semantics problem. What do you mean by "User > Interface"? The GUI too. The way to launch programs, the way to find files, the way to ma

Re: User Interface (was New Classic II)

OK. I'm just confused then. If the mouse and pointer don't constitute user interface then we have a semantics problem. What do you mean by "User Interface"? You talk about the keyboard, but if there was ONE thing I always thought the Mac did properly, it was to incorporate consistent keyboard comma

Re: New Classic II

Stuart, If I remember correctly, I think the Compacts go all the way back to System 1.0 and various combos of system and finder from 1.1 through 2.1 -- but I do think he was referring to our deviation on talk of Windows, OSX, Linux, etc. :-) > From: Stuart Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 12 Jul 2

Re: C2 8.1 (was New Classic II)

Yeah, Shouldn't the same procedure to get 8.1 on an SE/30 work on the Classic II? It's a 32-bit clean ROM, I think. But that 16-bit data bus might prove a real bottleneck for OS 8. I am experimenting on putting an SE/30 board into a CC II, because there are no other boards that will readily fit i

Re: New Classic II

On 7/12/05, Jack Gallemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, it was crippled compared to the SE and SE/30 in lacking an > expansion port. But, taken into context with the 128K/512K iterations, > it was right in line with the design aesthetics, which I see as being > an appliance level system. Th

Re: New Classic II

On 12 Jul 2005, at 12:27, Luke Brennan wrote: Compact Macs.. That'd be MacOS 6.x or 7.x yeah? :-) Or 3, 4, 5, 8 or 9! ;-) 6 on a 128K Mac is not a good idea. 9 on a 'Taco' Colour Classic is quite nice Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End

Re: New Classic II

Compact Macs.. That'd be MacOS 6.x or 7.x yeah? :-) Luke -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac Compact Macs list info: --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list

Re: New Classic II

> I was talking about the OS as well. I'm not talking about the OS. I'm talking about the user interface. JUST the user interface. The user interface that Windows uses is based on a set of user interface guidelines developed by IBM, not Microsoft. You're legally allowed (according to the rules o

Re: New Classic II

> Peter, Peter, Peter! First, Windows has always had a jerky pointer. They > have never fixed it. It sucked then and it sucks now. Frankly, I don't care > what else they did right, if moving the pointer bothers me, how can I be > expected to be productive with the rest of it. [etc etc etc blah blah

Re: New Classic II

Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:08 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: On Jul 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote: I haven't found a single instance where any Microsoft OS outshone a Mac OS during the aforementioned time period. I'm not talking about apps, I'm talking about the user interface, PA

Re: New Classic II

Peter, Peter, Peter! First, Windows has always had a jerky pointer. They have never fixed it. It sucked then and it sucks now. Frankly, I don't care what else they did right, if moving the pointer bothers me, how can I be expected to be productive with the rest of it. I have never worked on a compu

Re: New Classic II

On Jul 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote: I haven't found a single instance where any Microsoft OS outshone a Mac OS during the aforementioned time period. I'm not talking about apps, I'm talking about the user interface, PARTICULARLY under Windows 3.x. Microsoft provided an extremel

Re: New Classic II

Well, what I had was a Classic II, 10MB RAM, a 230MB Quantum drive running OS 7.1, and a GV Teleport 33.6 Speakerphone. The software 'Readme' said that a the minimum CPU was an '040, but I was still able to install it. I say 'had' since the Call Center software uses a 640x480 view and it just

Re: New Classic II

Thanks for the idea. I've been thinking about putting one of my Macs to act as a light switch and turn on my coffee pot. (Hi, my name is Jack and I'm a luddite. I don't have a coffee pot with a timer). Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Spoolman Nancy wrote: I use my Classic II to turn on l

Re: New Classic II\

Two points: [In context of systems made in mid-80s to early 90s] I haven't found a single instance where any Microsoft OS outshone a Mac OS during the aforementioned time period. Yes, there were a lot of apps for the Wintel boxen, but back then, I really didn't need a whole lot, either. I've

Re: New Classic II

I use my Classic II to turn on lights for our bird and pets when we are gone. Actually, they are turned on each morning before we get up and go off after we leave and then come on again at dusk. I use a program called Xtension. I had this program running 7 years and then the hard drive died

Re: New Classic II

Jack, what do I need to use a Classic II as an answering machine? I was thinking about that recently. John On Jul 11, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Jack Gallemore wrote: I suppose that it depends on your functionality need. I use a Classic II as my answering machine/fax machine. I don't it to do much el

Re: New Classic II\

> My point exactly. My computer purchases are purely aesthetics, never > for function. If Windows was functionally equivalent to Mac OS X (or to any sane operating system) I'd be using it. I don't avoid it because I hate the GUI or anything, in fact I think there's a lot of really good features

Re: New Classic II

My point exactly. My computer purchases are purely aesthetics, never for function. Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: Most computer purchases are aesthetics. Seriously, what is there real difference between 1's and 0's on differing devices? If you believed that, you'd b

Re: New Classic II

Easy Stuart...I'm sure he didn't mean the _Colour_ Classic! Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Stuart Bell wrote: On 11 Jul 2005, at 18:41, Peter da Silva wrote: The Color Classic with its "welding mask" fascia is not even worth talking about. Now that _is_ fighting talk! Beauty is in the

Re: New Classic II

I suppose that it depends on your functionality need. I use a Classic II as my answering machine/fax machine. I don't it to do much else but answer the phone and send/receive faxes. It'd be as waste of an SE/30's time . Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 12:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all

Re: New Classic II

> Most computer purchases are aesthetics. Seriously, what is there real > difference between 1's and 0's on differing devices? If you believed that, you'd be using Windows. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac

Re: New Classic II

Most computer purchases are aesthetics. Seriously, what is there real difference between 1's and 0's on differing devices? If design wasn't a factor, then one could do the same job on any computing device. The application (regardless of brand) still types up letters, browse the internet, bl

Re: New Classic II

Sure, it was crippled compared to the SE and SE/30 in lacking an expansion port. But, taken into context with the 128K/512K iterations, it was right in line with the design aesthetics, which I see as being an appliance level system. The SE and SE/30s seem to fall into more of an expandable, m

Re: New Classic II

Har! As was I! I figured between you and I we could get a few flames going. Jack On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Stuart Bell wrote: On 11 Jul 2005, at 11:43, Jack Gallemore wrote: I waffle back and forth on this one. While I think the SE/30 is the greatest expandable compact ever, the Cla

Re: New Classic II

On 11 Jul 2005, at 18:41, Peter da Silva wrote: The Color Classic with its "welding mask" fascia is not even worth talking about. Now that _is_ fighting talk! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac <

Re: New Classic II

Just so we're clear .. I agree, though I consider the Color Classic an improvement: With the right logic board it is more powerful than the SE/30 (even with accelerators) and are easy to come by and swap. Though you might not be able to live with its appearance :-) Unfortunately there is no such up

Re: New Classic II

This is all very interesting, but I never buy a computer because it looks cool or beautiful. I worry about functionality. That's why I still prefer Mac over PC's, because they work. THe fact that they have a beautiful appearance is just a really nice bonus. And that is also why there is still an

Re: New Classic II

> In my opinion, the SE series compacts were BUTT UGLY! Ah, so it comes down to aesthetics. This is obviously a matter of taste. All the compact Macs look pretty similar to my eyes, and the "racing stripes" on the SE and SE/30 are a pretty standard way of hiding ventilation. But for me the compa

Re: New Classic II

Peter, this All depends on your perspective. First let me address the design issues: > From: Jack Gallemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > the Classic II is the pinnacle of > what the compact began as. Thinking back to the 128k, the Classic II > maintained the design ideas of the original more that the SE

Re: New Classic II

I've never actually used the Compact II, but wasn't it kind of a crippled beast? Yeh, I know the SE/30 was a bit crippled too by the ROM, but apart from that I don't know how you could do a better original-style Mac. So... I'm actually interested in why you consider the Compact II better. --

Re: New Classic II

On 11 Jul 2005, at 11:43, Jack Gallemore wrote: I waffle back and forth on this one. While I think the SE/30 is the greatest expandable compact ever, the Classic II is the pinnacle of what the compact began as. Thinking back to the 128k, the Classic II maintained the design ideas of the ori

Re: New Classic II

I waffle back and forth on this one. While I think the SE/30 is the greatest expandable compact ever, the Classic II is the pinnacle of what the compact began as. Thinking back to the 128k, the Classic II maintained the design ideas of the original more that the SE/30 did..(IMHO) Jack On

Re: New Classic II

On 11 Jul 2005, at 02:19, Nat Hall wrote: The Classic II is a nice little computer, perhaps my favorite out of all the compacts. Nah! The SE/30 was earlier yet faster and more expandable! Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac

Re: New Classic II

I have the FPU installed on mine. I have never seen or heard of anything else that will go there. The Classic II is a nice little computer, perhaps my favorite out of all the compacts. -Nat On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 06:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple's HDSC Set Up utility to initi

Re: New Classic II

I'm sure sometime during the production run Apple consolidated the onboard RAM from four 512k chips to two 1MB chips as configurations changed and RAM got smaller and cheaper (though such a change should have a rev letter on the part number -- check the edge of the logic board for a REV B indic

New Classic II

I found a Classic II at the local Good Will computer store for $5 - with a sticker "AS IS". It started with black and white bars. I washed the mother board in Isopropal alcohol and it works!. From somethere I have a mother board for a Classic II but it looks different from the one that I bought