Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers

2007-09-11 Thread steve uurtamo
There are some subtle distinctions to make when thinking about slack moves, though. Some strong moves simply solidify a connection enough to make a large region of the board come under more influence to be used later. This is really difficult to measure, because these moves often can serve severa

Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers

2007-09-11 Thread forrestc
1) The strongest players I've known personally have been extremely articulate about what they were doing & why; one used to practice explaining every move he made to his opponent. 2) I'm not that strong, myself--so you may take this with suitable seasoning. I think the main advantage of personal g

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread Don Dailey
I should get a rating on KGS just to get a rough idea of how weak I am. I know that when I started I could not tell if a group was dead in even simple cases. I thought my own program was blundering many times when the moves were actually good. Even though I haven't played a game (outside of my

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread Jason House
On 9/11/07, Nick Wedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Don > Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >Who has the best Go programs at 19x19 level? I think David Fotland is > >only 2 Dan and his is one of the best. I know the old handtalk program > >was written by a v

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Wedd
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Who has the best Go programs at 19x19 level? I think David Fotland is only 2 Dan and his is one of the best. I know the old handtalk program was written by a very strong player. How strong is Michael Reiss? And the othe

RE: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread David Fotland
> > Who has the best Go programs at 19x19 level? I think David > Fotland is > only 2 Dan and his is one of the best. I know the old > handtalk program > was written by a very strong player. How strong is Michael Reiss? > And the other top guys? The programs that reached the top quickly w

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread Don Dailey
It seems to be the case that you don't need to be a great player to write a great program but it certainly doesn't hurt. I feel that it holds me back since I learned the rules just so that I could write a program. I believe it's this way with other games too. Over the decades, some of the very

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread Joshua Shriver
I don't know how well other engine authors are in OTB gameplay, but personally I play the game a lot and trying to learn it to the best of my abilities. Not only because I enjoy the game, but to hope when I'm writing code it'll reflect in it . -Josh On 9/10/07, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to GNU Go!

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Wedd
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Has anyone verified "Hb04 now refused to proceed with the game, neither agreeing nor disagreeing about which stones were alive"? At the start of the tournament, HB04 supported genmove and "final_status_list dead", but not k

Re: [computer-go] Tesuji

2007-09-11 Thread terry mcintyre
One would expect that a lot of Go-specific knowledge is required to develop a good program, but my impression is that some of the best Go programs so far have been actually written by people who know little about the game itself. Terry McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They mean to govern well; but