Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-22 Thread Don Dailey
On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 12:59 +0100, Jacques BasaldĂșa wrote: > PD. The only explanation I find to the "need" of the word artificial > is > the (for me totally unexplainable) respect educated Anglo-Saxons have > for religion. This way, it looks compatible with religion, but of > course > it isn't.

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-22 Thread Jacques BasaldĂșa
The word in AI I don't feel conformable with is Artificial, not Intelligence. I use _Abstract_ Intelligence (also AI) as a replacement. Have you ever heard of artificial aerodynamics (applicable to planes but not to birds) or artificial thermodynamics (the same). I understand that AI is the sci

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread compgo123
Can computer intelligence replace that of human? ? This question comes up often. Actually it's not a philosophical question,because it has an exact scientific answer. Even though this answer is based on an important scientifc axiom that I will mention. So a computer can lock human out of the co

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread forrestc
>> >Warning: Cynical Definition... >> > >> > My definition of AI is any algorithm that is new in computer >> science. Too much of an assumption here: That we should be designing & using _algorithms_! A good piece of what puts a problem/program in the realm of AI is the need to use "heurist

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread chrilly
Sorry, it is TrueSkill and not TrueScore. http://research.microsoft.com/mlp/trueskill/ Chrilly - Original Message - From: "Brian Slesinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "computer-go" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Slides for Vil

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Brian Slesinsky
On 7/21/07, chrilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you feed more data/games the quality of prediction increases. It is in fact a weakness of the Elo-Rating that this is not taken into account (newer systems like TrueScore do). Can you provide a link to TrueScore? My searches are coming up empty

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 02:02 +0900, Hideki Kato wrote: > >Warning: Cynical Definition... > > > > My definition of AI is any algorithm that is new in computer > > science. Once the algorithm becomes accepted then it's > > not AI, it's just a boring algorithm. > > I agree half of t

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Hideki Kato
chrilly: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Below is my favorite one in the list. An example of this are >neural-networks. Neural networks are just a parameter-free >optimization/estimation method. >No magic at all, just a boring and not very efficient estimator. It's not neural networks but just a perceptro

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:47 +0200, chrilly wrote: > Below is my favorite one in the list. An example of this are > neural-networks. Neural networks are just a parameter-free > optimization/estimation method. > No magic at all, just a boring and not very efficient estimator. > Chrilly > > Warning

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:37 +0200, chrilly wrote: > In this sense the Elo-System is an AI algorithm. I found this interesting site that may be vaguely related - it implies that ELO is a better way to measure intelligence and provides a methodology: http://home.earthlink.net/~bmcgaugh/eloiq.h

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread chrilly
Below is my favorite one in the list. An example of this are neural-networks. Neural networks are just a parameter-free optimization/estimation method. No magic at all, just a boring and not very efficient estimator. Chrilly Warning: Cynical Definition... My definition of AI is any alg

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread chrilly
How would you define modern AI? Obviously it is not the classic approach to mimic humans anymore. But what is it? For me it is when "we" (I was not there :-)) become less philosophical and more precise about what we want. We want a system which use data to improve itself in order to adapt to uns

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Hideki Kato
Chrilly, your definition of AI is too limited. See, for example, http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/definitions.of.ai.html. Regards, Hideki (gg) chrilly: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> However, I have to disagree with this statement: >> "UCT: Complete Antithesis to AI-approach" >> >Martin Mueller quot

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Don Dailey
I generally also disagree with your statement - but I would point out that it's difficult to reason about this without a clear definition of AI. AI gets redefined every time the magic is understood. I think it largely comes down to semantics. UCT fits just about any definition of AI more than

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hi Chrilly, It was always the goal of McCarthy and his followers to simulate and to surpass the human mind. (...) UCT has nothing to do with human Go. It has some similarity to the behaviour of ant-collonies (its not in the technical sense an ant-colony algo). It was never the goal of AI to expla

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread chrilly
> However, I have to disagree with this statement: > "UCT: Complete Antithesis to AI-approach" > Martin Mueller quotes J.McCarthy in his thesis: "The research of Go programs is still in its infancy, but we shall see that to bring Go programs to a level comparable with current Chess programs, inve

Re: [computer-go] Slides for Villach-EC Lecture

2007-07-21 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hi Chrilly, I am sorry about your fight with a dog, and I hope you are ok! I read your slides: interesting point of view, whereas you seem a little frustrated. Thank you for sharing your opinion. However, I have to disagree with this statement: "UCT: Complete Antithesis to AI-approach" I reall