[CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Daniel Else
Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ug

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
The only thing I noticed were the scattered and scrambled buttons. MS implemented that badly enough that I have no doubt some people were lost and needed help. Other than that, I can't imagine what you would need phone support for. > -Original Message- > Microsoft is pushing its Interne

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)

2007-12-03 Thread Josie Leyman Elias
We use the premium for work groups (5+ people) and 2008 has some nice features, but 2006 works fine and I didn't see enough of a benefit to warrant a $1500 expense at the moment. I did try reinstalling 2008. I get part way through to where it asks to install SQL and then crashes From: Co

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Mike Sloane
I permitted MS update to install IE 7, and I cannot get it to work. Since I don't use IE for my Web browsing, that isn't a problem for me, but it might be for other folks. I guess I might think about removing IE 7 and re-installing IE 6, if I should ever need to use IE. I prefer Firefox. Mike

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
If you have the data backed up, you should be able to install 2006 to a clean system (one that never had ACT! Installed on it) and then import the data, assuming that v. 2008 didn't convert the data to a new format (table structures, attributes, etc.). Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
MS likely has learned that there are some problems, and is offering free support for IE7 so it can determine exactly what the problems are (and perhaps try to fix them). If too many folks have problems with a new product, word gets around and people stop using it, stop trying to use it. That's

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through >touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that >the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. The reason is under the hood. The main reason to upgrade to IE7 is that IE6 was seriously defecti

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Richard P.
Upgraded 3 computers last week without incidents. It seems to work ok, but my primary browser is Firefox and I only use IE as a backup or for Windows Update. Richard P. Daniel Else wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Before I move to a new piece of software, I want to know what features it >provides that I really need. Most of the time the old software works just >fine, and the new software doesn't provide the one or two features that I >would really like to see to improve my work. The new features are >

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
At 09:59 AM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue >to cling to defective old IE 6. Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. So

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Mike Sloane
I just "bit the bullet" and installed MS IE 7 in two machines running Win XP Pro. The update took a very long time but was essentially successful. On the antique IBM Thinkpad, everything looks fine, but on my generic tower, all the wording on the Google taskbar comes up in what looks like a for

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
How much does the loading of IE7 speed up if you turn off your real-time virus scanner? At 11:50 AM 12/3/2007, Mike Sloane wrote: >IE still takes "forever" to load, but it does seem to work OK. > >Mike * ==> QUICK LIST-COM

Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?

2007-12-03 Thread gerald
the part that is 2-3mm from your ear is a speaker. the radiation devise is housed elsewhere in the box. you are attempting to determine the distance of the mechanical device, which has nothing to do with electric radiation. I would presume the electronic portion of the blutooth device is much

[CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Richard P.
I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. Richard P. **

[CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and >because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. The Internet changed all that. If you are still operating as a computer in isolation then we don't care if you are still running DOS. But if you are pa

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I was surprised to see a pair of turntables at Target last week. I >think both had USB outputs, but one had a built in CD burner. I'm surprised that the RIAA is not suing them for selling burgler tools. * ==> QUICK LIST-CO

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Tony B
I was surprised to see a pair of turntables at Target last week. I think both had USB outputs, but one had a built in CD burner. These things are a LOT easier to find these days than a few years ago. http://www.google.com/products?q=usb+turntable http://www.google.com/products?q=turntable+recorder

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
I've heard the Ion USB turntable does a good job. I'm just waiting for one to go on sale. > -Original Message- > I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get > recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB > turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would avoid 3rd-party toolbars with IE 7. IIRC, my wife had the Comcast toolbar, the Yahoo toolbar, and the Google toolbar all installed and IE7 was crashing. I don't know what you need any of these for. When I took these off, IE7 ran OK. **

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)

2007-12-03 Thread Andy Gallant
Well, back to grasping at straws, have you tried a Registry Cleaner? Just anecdotally, as a certified non-expert, I found Registry First Aid to be helpful without doing too much, and System Mechanic to be both helpful and dangerous because it did do too much. Another thought - have you tried

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Steve Rigby
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Richard P. wrote: I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. If y

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread gerald
audio technica is also a decent name. any of the usb turntable is probably adequate. they may need a better cartridge. how big a sale do you need? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0048373-2615160?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=usb+turntable&x=9&y=14 apparently these things are

Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?

2007-12-03 Thread Paul Meyer
IIRC, the em wave has a spherical wave front but that is the surface of a sphere not the volume, so the square law applies. If it did fall off at a cubic rate there would might be more cause concern because you the wave energy at the transmitter would be much more intense to reach the target ant

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread db
Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy so

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
At 01:05 PM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for >you. It might come to that. Gee, I might get a life back. Fred Holmes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE -

[CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
On Windows I have been using PSPad -- a full-featured programmer's text editor. I especially need GREP for search/replace and to extract lines that meet a certain pattern. I'm doing things like log analysis. My problem is that I'm working with some very large files (150 MB). PSPad gets unusably

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Constance Warner
"But if you are part of the internetwork you are part of a community. If IE users won't upgrade it makes it impossible for the rest of us to advance. "The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for you. It might come to that." Far be it from me to disagree with our Fearless

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>apparently these things are not selling very well. Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list for the Zune I noticed that two models of USB turntable were selling better than the Zune. So don't call it "not selling very well." **

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest browsers, too. Not

Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Anectdotaly, the fellows who manned the pirate radio stations in England >were known to have their hair fall out. That was MI5 using some of the left over powder the CIA had made for Castro. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REF

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something >that should be transparently invisible. > >When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to >find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so >I can pop down to the store to

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the >knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new >browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually >works. I leave it you to explain to the "young couple in rural Virginia who are j

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Matthew Taylor
Which to my eye is the strongest argument that fundamental components of the internet comply to standards so that everyone who complies with that standard can just get on with their business. On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Constance Warner wrote: ...the Internet doesn't just belong to us and to

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread gerald
I think that just tells you about zuny sales, and their very special operating system. maybe 12 yo's are smarter than we give them credit for. At 03:40 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote: >>apparently these things are not selling very well. > >Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list for the

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Constance Warner
Quotes: >Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the >knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new >browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually >works. I leave it you to explain to the "young couple in rural Virginia w

Re: [CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
TSE -- The Semware Editor. http://www.semware.com/ Moderately priced. Sammy Mitchell, the one man show who is keeping it going, isn't getting rich on it. Stupendous support. Free and fast and good. Join their e-mail discussion list and someone will answer your question or write your macro

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread John DeCarlo
On Dec 3, 2007 3:44 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something > >that should be transparently invisible. > > It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like > borrowing a friend's car that had a big

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
One of them was #343 in electronics. Considering the boggling number of electronics offered, and the relative niche target of these products, that isn't too shabby. > -Original Message- > >apparently these things are not selling very well. > > Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best s

Re: [CGUYS] wo questions about Macbook Pro -- card reader & backup

2007-12-03 Thread David Newhall
On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Two questions about Macbook Pro -- card reader & backup Second question: She got the Macbook Pro last September. Would getting an external USB or IEEE 1394 hard drive be beneficial for backup (i.e., would the Mac

Re: [CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
I've used SciTE with good results on large text files. http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html > -Original Message- > On Windows I have been using PSPad -- a full-featured programmer's text > editor. I especially need GREP for search/replace and to extract lines > that meet a certain pattern

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Myers, Jeffrey
I am using a little device that connects a regular turntable to a computer. I have the turntable (a pretty good Denon model) hooked into a small box that provides the proper equalization curve for LPs and then feeds it via usb to an old computer I no longer use for anything else. I'm slowly conver

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How can we make them stop? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the followin

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, >eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of >much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the >internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest >browsers, too.

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread mike
Same reason most mac users use safari. It comes preinstalled. Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:20 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. > > Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How > can we make

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread mike
Is your dvr the tuner also? Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:17 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, > >eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of > >much use today, if one wanted to use that compute

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread rlsimon
Get opera9.5b ...gud ...www.opera.com -Original Message- From: db [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: MS IE 7 Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a fri

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread db
I don't use it other than to download MS updates... I use firefox but am greatly annoyed every time I have to use it on some else computer and can't easily find the controls for what I want to do in their minimized to nothingness interface ... db Tom Piwowar wrote: Why should I have to get us

[CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread b_s-wilk
We have an old turntable and amp connected to an old PowerMac 7600 via RCA cables--sometimes it's plugged into a G4/. You can do the same with a new computer using a Griffin iMic and RCA to mini adapter, or use the audio input jack on a sound card. No need to buy a new turntable if you already

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
That's one advantage of the DIY HTPC I'm building: you can always swap out the tuner card for another. I have an ATI 550 on the way from eBay, which will complete the parts I need. The rest are from my recent upgrade to my main PC (which now sports a dual-core Athlon 5200, 2 GB of RAM and a 36 G

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
Upgrade to Vista! (Yes, that was a joke...) Firefox is showing that the slow and steady might not win the race, but it makes for a good place. That pays out too at the track. I'm giving away 6 year old computers to staff (the first batch I bought at my .org -- :::sigh::: -- that's another way t

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Is your dvr the tuner also? Alas, yes. It is a Replay. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMP

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread b_s-wilk
While it's possible to code a site with all the excessive bells and whistles, commercial and nonprofit sites ultimately need to develop their pages to attract customers/clients, not the script-kiddies putting the sites together. It's not necessary to have lots of scripts and Flash to create an

Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?

2007-12-03 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar >>apparently these things are not selling very well. > > Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list > for the Zune I noticed that two models of USB turntable > were selling better than the Zune. So don't call it > "not selling very well." I understand that the new Zune land

Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7

2007-12-03 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar >>Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a >>browser... something that should be transparently >>invisible. > It is not just about you, it is about the community. > Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a > big red inspection sticker on it that says "rejected

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Wosnick
But I bet that no one deigns to think of you as brain-dead just because you are embracing this less than cutting edge technology. Too bad that your mother never taught you the value of taking the high road. You should try it sometime. Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Draw a parallel to