Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point? No he is right on the 120gb being the only current harddrive based iPod. Apple

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wright
I would not belabor the point except for the days of attacks, disinformation, name calling, rude language, and other abuse heaped on me. Instead of responding with facts and logic the response of many (but not all) was just a bald assertion repeated over and over that I was wrong. Acting

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole lot longer. I mean,

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole lot longer. I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wright
So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole lot longer. I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
It should be obvious that if one model is 6-7 years old, and one is new, buy the new one. Except a new product that is so similar to one that is 6-7 years old is pathetic. start shouting YES _ I READ POSTS I RESPOND TO. end shouting Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So, my

[CGUYS] Amiga!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Steve Rigby
It's alive!: Ars reviews AmigaOS 4.1 http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Amiga!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Tony B
I'm reluctantly willing to give that it's alive, but at this point who the f cares? :) On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's alive!: Ars reviews AmigaOS 4.1 http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars

[CGUYS] DTV channel assignments

2008-09-23 Thread Tony B
An article in TV Technology this week has some interesting news regarding channels after the DTV changeover. Sorry, no links, but I'll try to summarize. All stations currently transmitting DTV are using UHF frequencies, and that's pretty much all full power stations at this point, at least in all

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
It should be obvious that if one model is 6-7 years old, and one is new, buy the new one. I'm sorry, but that is not at all obvious. What if you want a lot of storage? You have to get the newer product anyway, because it's newer? Even though it's much more expensive? Buying something that is

Re: [CGUYS] DTV channel assignments

2008-09-23 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Tony B wrote: Anyway, aside from the funny numbers, the lesson maybe to be learned here is that, despite the fact UHF antennas are being sold today for DTV reception, after the shutoff we may very well still need VHF antennas. Or not, because in the city even a UHF

[CGUYS] When AOL was ...

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Taylor
Tom; Don't you mean to say before broadband? Matthew On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Wasn't AOL referred to as the internet on training wheels??? Once again. The spread of Internet access changed the game for AOL. Before the Internet, AOL was the one who got it right. AOL

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
I do not buy tech things that will be unsupportable in a short period of time. I do not think older technologies are generally worth pursuing. The hardware breaks sooner. The software stops working with the new hardware sooner, and also with new software. These are all general truths. Maybe

Re: [CGUYS] When AOL was ...

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Don't you mean to say before broadband? No, Tom is RIGHT. :) In Olden Tymes, AOL (like CompuServe) was a service unto itself, not connected to the Internet. When you went to AOL, there was nowhere else to go. And if you had an AOL account and your buddy had a CompuServe account, you used the

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
I do not buy tech things that will be unsupportable in a short period of time. There's no basis for saying that MS is going to drop support for this in a short period of time. In fact, considering that the 120GB unit is brand new, it's unlikely in the extreme. The same goes for Apple's 120GB

Re: [CGUYS] When AOL was ...

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
Chris, I suspect it was cool for folks who needed what AOL provided. As someone who got his first email account in the 1980's and first used a browser sometime around 1992, I do understand why you'd say it was never cool. I don't think AOL was ever cool to the techies. Thank you, Mark Snyder

Re: [CGUYS] A Small Non-profit speaks (Was Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's)

2008-09-23 Thread Constance Warner
I'm a survivor of a contrary case: Mac to PC. The nonprofit where I work was an all-Mac workplace, except for a few PC's that ran specific applications. When we got new management, they switched to PC's as soon as they could get the funding to do it. They kept telling us that we had so many

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
I do sometimes choose nothing, if I don't care to pay for new technology. I wait for it to come down a bit. I meant I would not buy something Apple designed 6-7 years ago and has really only changed the capacity of the disk drive. I would never buy something using the same tech that another

[CGUYS] Incoming CGUYS messages sometimes marked as spam

2008-09-23 Thread David Turk
I think we covered this before, but about 1/3 of the CGUYS messages are being marked with a Spam prefix in my Inbox. Why is this? tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread mike
So what are you using in place of computers? They were designed a lot longer ago then the first ipod. Yes I'm being sarcastic but to make a point. It might be obsolete tech to you, but to most people it's not. The fact that those iPods designed as you said 6 or 7 years ago are still working

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread mike
Well the constant name calling and abuse from you to people who don't agree with you does not help. Treat those as you wish to be treated. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not belabor the point except for the days of attacks, disinformation, name

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
I want to take advantage of as much current, fully-supported product as I can, so I would want at least five of those 6-7 years. At the moment I am waiting on a laptop because right now, my evaluations say buy nothing now. I have watched technologies change, in every detail I could muster for

Re: [CGUYS] 9500gt 512 vs 9600GSO-T2D OC 768 MB

2008-09-23 Thread mike
Thanks for the replies, I found a OC version of the 9600gso...768 memory. It seems to work pretty good, got UT3 running at full res now. Woot! Mike On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ended up getting an Asus GeForce 9800GT card from Newegg, that has a

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
Mike, Don't let yourself be insulted so easily. Half-baked was directed at the idea, not the person. I am sure I have the occasional half-baked idea; it does not make me a half-baked person. Same applies to you. That was not an attack. Sheesh. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
But more importantly, you really ignored what I said, to wit, if what you want is a lot of storage, or if you can't afford a Touch, then there's no choice except between Classic and Zune. You choose one of those, or nothing. I meant I would not buy something Apple designed 6-7 years ago and

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
It is an on-topic technology discussion. If it bores you, we do not mind if you delete messages with this topic. However, we don't care for such rude, pompous notes. Start a more interesting topic. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Please shut this discussion down. It has long

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread mike
We're a family of brothers and sisters, in-laws and cousins and aunts and uncles and going on 20 year neighbors..sometimes stay too long at dinner after drinking too much. We'll get testy and then go home, sober up and call again another day. Mike On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bernie Hylton

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
The life cycle of a particular laptop is about three years, no 20! When I say not much has changed, I mean recently and to the current crop of laptop models. I want an Apple (in office have new HP Compaq 8510p) - my Apple laptop is over five years old. I must watch changes at a different level

Re: [CGUYS] Incoming CGUYS messages sometimes marked as spam

2008-09-23 Thread David Turk
Must be a server-level, because I have no automatic filters in my email (except for blocked senders). david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. If it were just about the players, I would have quit long ago. The problem

Re: [CGUYS] 9500gt 512 vs 9600GSO-T2D OC 768 MB

2008-09-23 Thread mike
Price on your 9800? I got the 9600 for 104 from a local dealer. Mike On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, not sure if you mentioned it or I did...the 9600 can be OC to be basically the same card as the 8800gt. I checked the memory chips that are on

Re: [CGUYS] When AOL was ...

2008-09-23 Thread Chris Dunford
AOL offered a lot more than compuserve, genie, delphi, or indeed any of the other similar services. It had more people, was easier to use than any of its competitors. Sure, I don't think there's any question about that. The question (and a trivial indeed) is whether or not it was cool. As far

Re: [CGUYS] 9500gt 512 vs 9600GSO-T2D OC 768 MB

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Price on your 9800? I got the 9600 for 104 from a local dealer. $109 after rebate from Newegg. I think I linked it previously, but if not: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121268 * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and W

2008-09-23 Thread Pat Fauquet
On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom there are just some points you never seem to get. I just read an article http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/18557/ that is an interesting read on the subject of Macs and small business. Pat

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread mike
Ok, I see what you mean now. My remark about 20 years was regarding not the lifecycle of a single laptop but rather the changes to laptops over 20 years. In that I think we agree, the laptop has largely remained unchanged except it has gotten faster/smaller etc, but no real technological

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wright
The life cycle of a particular laptop is about three years, no 20! When I say not much has changed, I mean recently and to the current crop of laptop models. I want an Apple (in office have new HP Compaq 8510p) - my Apple laptop is over five years old. I must watch changes at a different

Re: [CGUYS] Incoming CGUYS messages sometimes marked as spam

2008-09-23 Thread MrMike6by9
I receive my posts as plain text digests thru Gmail thru my Comcast accounts. Neither has flagged the digests as spam. YMMV -- Date:Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:47:44 -0400 From:Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Incoming CGUYS messages sometimes marked

Re: [CGUYS] Diagnosis: noise of death or ?

2008-09-23 Thread rlsimon
I mean't to say the system fan ...I think it's the drive motor on death's door ...so does seagate! -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Diagnosis: noise of death or ? Does the drive really have a fan? That's

Re: [CGUYS] Diagnosis: noise of death or ?

2008-09-23 Thread rlsimon
Contacted seagate and they were all too ready to exchange it ...I think this is common ...I escalated to a tech and he said to backup my stuff NOW and while waiting for the exchange drive ($20) I should visit a local religious institution to make sure it doesn't fly apart before the other one gets

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. My question

Re: [CGUYS] Diagnosis: noise of death or ?

2008-09-23 Thread gerald
and all the bad jokes when i said i saved the box on my externals so return would be easy. in maryland, the warantee sort of starts over. they cannot keep patching to get you through the two years or whatever. At 03:26 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: Contacted seagate and they were all too ready to

[CGUYS] Fake popup study sadly confirms most users are idiots

2008-09-23 Thread Tony B
Which somehow doesn't surprise me. :) http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080923-study-confirms-users-are-idiots.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness

Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and W

2008-09-23 Thread gerald
this article is the biggest joke i have ever seen as an argument to put micks in to a biz app environment. 1. get the files transfered for free woopee 2.lepard is intuitive my wife has run OS's since before os existed(cpm), through all the xerox systems(alto,star,), windoz systems, . she

Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and W

2008-09-23 Thread Pat Fauquet
On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:33 PM, gerald wrote: this article is the biggest joke i have ever seen as an argument to put micks in to a biz app environment. 1. get the files transfered for free woopee This can be a big deal for someone switching. At the end of the exercise, their address book,

Re: [CGUYS] Fake popup study sadly confirms most users are idiots

2008-09-23 Thread Robert
that any trouble resulting from his behavior was someone else's problem to fix. Tony B wrote: Which somehow doesn't surprise me. :) http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080923-study-confirms-users-are-idiots.html

Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and W

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wright
I just read an article http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/18557/ that is an interesting read on the subject of Macs and small business. 1. Free, Fast File Transfer From Apple I agree, this is a good and useful service. Dell includes this as well, but of course, they don't have

Re: [CGUYS] Fake popup study sadly confirms most users are idiots

2008-09-23 Thread mike
/news.ars/post/20080923-study-confirms-users-are-idiots.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org

Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and W

2008-09-23 Thread gerald
At 04:59 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:33 PM, gerald wrote: this article is the biggest joke i have ever seen as an argument to put micks in to a biz app environment. 1. get the files transfered for free woopee This can be a big deal for someone switching. At the end of the

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread Bernie Hylton
Well, I guess I have been appropriately put down. Thank you. ### Bernie It is an on-topic technology discussion. If it bores you, we do not mind if you delete messages with this topic. However, we don't care for such rude, pompous notes. Start a more interesting topic. Thank you, Mark

[CGUYS] disk defrag vs disk clean-up

2008-09-23 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I was recently ask what is disk clean-up? How does it differs from defragmentation? Thanks, Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more

Re: [CGUYS] disk defrag vs disk clean-up

2008-09-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Defragmentation takes the physical writing on the desk and puts it in order. It moves files and rewrites the file table telling the system where the file is located. Disk Clean up cleans up your actual files and stem from temp files, cache files and such. Look at it this way. Disk Clean

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. If it were just about the players, I would have quit long ago. The