Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Eric S. Sande
Well television is one of those rights delineated in the constitution right? Not exactly. But ideas didn't move slowly in Colonial America, they had media too. And the rights of free speech and assembly are delineated specifically. Public discourse happened then via broadsheets, newspapers, a

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ranbo
If the government is going to mandate this changeover than they should similarly intervene to mitigate the problems this will cause, regardless of whether those problems are truly profound. By an admittedly stretched analogy, if the government intervened to, say, make drinking or smoking illegal,

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Well television is one of those rights delineated in the constitution right? What simply amazes me is that America is one of the richest poor nations in the world. Stewart At 09:12 PM 1/23/2009, you wrote: I think I should reiterate, we are talking about just televsion. On Fri, Jan 23, 20

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ranbo
Are you saying that if you suddenly woke up one day - say Feb 17 - and had no tv reception, you wouldn't be very bothered? True, some of us may be more "addicted" to tv than others. I don't watch a lot, but would be tough to get used to NO tv. Randall On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:12 PM, mike wro

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ranbo
$50 for a converter is a lot for some of us, particularly if you have more than 1 tvs. One should not jump to assumptions to readily - I, for instance, have 2 tvs (one in living room and one in bedroom) which I didn't pay for; one being given by a family member, another recently acquired from Free

[CGUYS] Vista networking query

2009-01-23 Thread Tony B
The wife takes her laptop to work where she must enable DHCP to connect to the network next door. Then she comes home and I have DHCP disabled, so she must dig out her cheatsheet and reconfigure her tcp-ip settings. Is there a way in Vista to have it automatically connect to these two networks?

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread mike
I think I should reiterate, we are talking about just televsion. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >I agree the coupon program should never have been implemented. Even > >the poorest of people can't be all _that_ poor if they own a TV. Not > >like the $50 is going to break

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I agree the coupon program should never have been implemented. Even >the poorest of people can't be all _that_ poor if they own a TV. Not >like the $50 is going to break them. Spoken like a rich capitalist. $40 will pay for a week of food. ***

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I was repeating what I heard on NPR! I understand that a lot of this bandwidth they are reserving for public use, not private. Stewart At 07:37 PM 1/23/2009, you wrote: The claims that police and emergency departments need the bandwidth is bogus. Their biggest problem is having existing

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tony B
>From a technical standpoint, there's really no argument - the switch *is* necessary. Digital is just that much more efficient. The much bigger problem is that now the switch has taken so long to implement, the _next_ generation is already upon us, and we're going to be stuck with this mpeg-2 type

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> I'm not missing any point. You need to recalibrate. You are too > accustomed to fawning stories in fanzines and propaganda produced by MS > itself. You get all hyped up when you read something that is even- > handed and contains good analysis of what MS is up to. When the Times' > Pogue or the Po

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread b_s-wilk
> Delaying the mandatory switch is going to cost TV stations millions > of dollars as they will continue to have to double transmit. (many > have been ramping up for this and have had two transmitters running, > expensive) Also the bandwidth that the police and emergency > departments have been w

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ranbo
Sounds like a story (and others here) that the new Administration would want to hear about, assuming they genuinely want input and to do things in a new way, with the public interest in mind, if not paramount. What was the rationale for this entire forced switch, anyway? If they go ahead with th

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm not missing any point. You need to recalibrate. You are too accustomed to fawning stories in fanzines and propaganda produced by MS itself. You get all hyped up when you read something that is even-handed and contains good analysis of what MS is up to. When the Times' Pogue or the Post's Peg

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Look, I admit to procrastinating on this (as I typically do, admittedly) but it seems like they are not really ready for this, for various reasons (see the Post article in, I believe, yesterday's business section). Running out of funding for the coupons is not the fault of those who waited. As al

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Tom Piwowar : Okay, Tom, it's time to take off the Apple-colored glasses. . . Post a link to the ad that people are saying they're "just a generic PC". I saw it on microsoft.com and later on network TV. There was a good amount of press about how it was replacing the terrible Seinfeld a

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread RLeeSimon
Hey, tom, where can I get somma dem cool apple colored glasses ?? ...lemme see !! -Original Message- From: Reid Katan [mailto:ka...@his.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review Quoting Tom Piwowar : >> A clear-eyed review from AppleInsider.

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread RLeeSimon
Ya'know ...I have similar experience here ...I am 1h drive from Philly and up over a pond over which my antenna points from a 40' tower with pre-amp and amp and still got very little ...my sis is 20mi from NYC on LI with antenna on garage roof about 20' up and got 60+ channels ...the cliff is the c

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread RLeeSimon
Sorry to say, why didn't you put the exp date on your blackberry as a reminder and just use it in time ...d'oh! -Original Message- From: Brian Jones [mailto:wjone...@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Will Obama delay switch to HD? I got mine last ye

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread db
They sold it because it was to the businesses advantage to buy it (read cheaper and predictable) rather than rent it and they were elected as shills for business ... business provided the funds that enabled them to run for office. db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:28 P

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread mike
Or tell them to enter the local zip code. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Chris Dunford >wrote: > > > > It might be RS and not the USG. Years ago RS demanded my phone number > > > when I tried to pay cash for some batteries. I said no

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > It might be RS and not the USG. Years ago RS demanded my phone number > > when I tried to pay cash for some batteries. I said no. I think they > > still try to collect Zip codes. > > I was going to say the same thing. RS is very nosy. >

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Could it be that they had to find a way to spend all those dollars they > accumulated by fining networks and TV stations for many a sundry reasons. > > I believe that coupons were ultimately funded with a f

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Jan 2009 to 20 Jan 2009 (#2009-63)

2009-01-23 Thread Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow
That offer for $59.95 reappears from time to time.? (If not, close the app & reopen it). On the main screen, click Menu and then Help for some help. On that help screen there is also a Customer Care/Live Person link. I don't think you can port your Vonage number to MagicJack, but I may be wrong.

Re: [CGUYS] Technological Dark Ages

2009-01-23 Thread gerald
almost every machine is not allowed to leave the building, and most machines are not allowed to leave a given office. why do they need laptops? they are less cost efficient than desktops, and not particularly superior in a desktop environment. At 02:37 PM 1/23/2009, you wrote: >I feel their p

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Art Clemons
> One set of rumors has Win7 running on a netbook - time > will tell. If you have two gigs of memory in many netbooks, Win7 appears to walk. Its rating system though will make it a "1" or less and many features won't be available. That being said, it's a major improvement over Vista which can so

Re: [CGUYS] Technological Dark Ages

2009-01-23 Thread Tony B
Ya. Captioning can be a bitch. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > I feel their pain. > scarce, assigned to only a few people in the West Wing. The team was left > struggling to put closed captions on online videos." ***

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> You cut off the rest of my sentence so I would appear unreasonable. Sigh. Fine, here's the full quote: > "Herding users" is not "charged language", it is an > even-handed, accurate description. That is what vendors > do. Apple does it. Google does it. Macy's does it. MS > does it. To deny i

[CGUYS] Technological Dark Ages

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I feel their pain. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR200901210 4249.html "If the Obama campaign represented a sleek, new iPhone kind of future, the first day of the Obama administration looked more like the rotary-dial past." "The team members, accustomed to wo

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You just got entered into Radio Shacks database of customers There was no reason for them to see the letter. That is like asking for the letter you get with your credit card. The store simply scanned the card and would file with the feds to be reimbursed for the $40 discount they gave yo

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> It might be RS and not the USG. Years ago RS demanded my phone number > when I tried to pay cash for some batteries. I said no. I think they > still try to collect Zip codes. I was going to say the same thing. RS is very nosy.

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> One set of rumors has Win7 running on a netbook - time > will tell. I can also confirm that it runs fine on a Dell netbook (1GB RAM, 16GB drive). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy **

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Richard P.
I am 10-15 miles line-of-sight from the transmitters in a elevated location with a very large outdoor antenna with a rotor and I'm having a lot of trouble getting the digital signals consistently. Apparently there is a lot of reflection in the UHF signals which is causing the dropouts, even though

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread mike
Leo is running his on a netbook, no rumor needed. Runs fine. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: > > > One set of rumors has Win7 running on a netbook - time > will tell. > > * ** List info, subscri

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Andy Gallant
It might be RS and not the USG. Years ago RS demanded my phone number when I tried to pay cash for some batteries. I said no. I think they still try to collect Zip codes. -Andy Ralph wrote: I hope I'm not muddying the water but I suspect the government, in it's infinite wisdom, checks to m

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar >>Okay, Tom, it's time to take off the Apple-colored >>glasses. . . Post a link to the ad that people are >>saying they're "just a generic PC". > I saw it on microsoft.com and later on network TV. > There was a good amount of press about how it was > replacing the terrible Seinfeld ad

Re: [CGUYS] GPS [was: Windows & Active X]

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>> Google is offering new mapping software for cell phones without gps using >> triangulation via the cell towers. Has anyone tried this? How was it if >> so? I have read that the map makers (now owned by GPS companies) are trying to restrict how their maps are used with cell phones. I think th

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>> "Herding users" is not "charged language", it is an even-handed, > >I give up. If you think this is an objective, unbiased, even-handed review >there is nothing left that I can say. You cut off the rest of my sentence so I would appear unreasonable. ***

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> "Herding users" is not "charged language", it is an even-handed, I give up. If you think this is an objective, unbiased, even-handed review there is nothing left that I can say. * ** List info, subscription management, li

Re: [CGUYS] GPS [was: Windows & Active X]

2009-01-23 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
It works great. Within three meters a lot of the time. - Original Message - From: "mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] GPS [was: Windows & Active X] Google is offering new mapping software for cell phones without gps using triangulation via the

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>It is beyond understanding how you can think that a review loaded with >charged language like "herding users" is even-handed, or how you can think >that a review containing glaring errors is "knowledgeable". It is neither, >as you would have to admit if you hadn't totally ignored the content of th

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Okay, Tom, it's time to take off the Apple-colored glasses. . . >Post a link to the ad that people are saying they're "just a generic PC". I saw it on microsoft.com and later on network TV. There was a good amount of press about how it was replacing the terrible Seinfeld ads. Have you erased th

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>he's just wrong when he says that you can't launch from the taskbar. True, he got that wrong. One small detail that you will harp on forever. He may have missed it or his computer may have a problem. * ** List info, subsc

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ranbo
I've heard of some people who, for whatever reasons, ended up with coupons they didn't need. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to pass these along to others who do need them. Perhaps selling them should and is prohibited, but not giving them away. Randall On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:28

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> "The Taskbar handles half of the features of the Mac OS X Dock; > actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the > Start Menu." > > How about Desktop icons. How about Quicklaunch icons (which are > actually pictured *right above this statement*. How about keyboard > shortcut

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Ralph
I hope I'm not muddying the water but I suspect the government, in it's infinite wisdom, checks to make sure no one uses anyone elses coupon. When I handed my coupon to the Radio Shack clerk, she asked for the letter that came with it and appeared to copy the address into her register/computer...

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread mike
Tom should try hearing a real clear eyed review, Leo Laporte has some good points both positive and negative on win7 on his various podcasts. This guy is a *serious* mac user too, not a WFB, whatever that is. I think Tom called a mac user a WFB earlier so I'm not too clear. This reviewer from Ap

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> This is good reading for WFBs because it demonstrates what a > knowledgeable, even-handed review looks like. Of course they will > scribble all over it trying to turn a sow's ear into a purse. It is beyond understanding how you can think that a review loaded with charged language like "herding u

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Tom Piwowar : A clear-eyed review from AppleInsider. Right. You can practically smell the objectivity in this sentence: "Microsoft has to herd more PC users into the latest version of Windows ... so it can actively leverage its monopoly position to prevent competition" Sentences lik

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>In our neck of the woods it basically means people are going to lose >90% of their channels, as the digital signals just won't penetrate up >here. Not just the woods. Here in DC I am 120 feet off the ground and line of sight to many transmitters. The DTV signal quality is not as good as analog.

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
> As always, those who will be most adversely affected are the poor, disabled > and maybe throw in those living in rural areas. There is a "compromise" bill in for a 4-month delay and a refunding of * ** List info, subscri

Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I think this is the issue that Obama is addressing... The program should >have been properly funded (or not offered at all). >The governemt forced the issue, so I suppose that they should cover the >consumer costs for screwing with the free market system. But the government was too busy fighti

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>A clear-eyed review from AppleInsider. Right. You can practically smell the >objectivity in this sentence: "Microsoft has to herd more PC users into the >latest version of Windows ... so it can actively leverage its monopoly >position to prevent competition" Sentences like that are the hallma

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> This is why you shouldn't get reviews of MS products from people who > don't actually use the product Yeah. Here's another one I noticed late last night, where he's talking about the taskbar: "... actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the Start Menu." No, it doesn't. H

Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-01-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)
LOL! The first amendment is free speech and the 2nd is bearing arms. So, you must be advocating the right to shooting one's mouth off? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on l

Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review

2009-01-23 Thread mike
What I don't get is...you don't have to look for a review backing up your beliefs, you can just try it yourself...for FREE! I switched a laptop over to it a little over a week ago..no issues yet. Then this is beta, so I do expect something to crop up. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 PM, katan wrot