[CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: The representation you describe can be done through good old union organizing. It's daunting because there are too many coders who can't imagine being in a union, and potential employers who fight unionization with vicious ferocity. It's worth fighting for

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I find it kind of odd that the coders (and all the other unwashed masses) feel like they have to put in extra time without compensation in fear of losing their jobs, but at the other end, companies pay COEs obscene bonuses in

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
An old Murphyism. Management is like a septic tank, all the big chunks float to the top. Stewart At 02:38 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote: Trouble is, new management promoted the top talent from the old management team that took the game down.

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:38 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Trouble is, new management promoted the top talent from the old management team that took the game down. See, we are not dealing here with actual talent, productivity, knowledge or know-how. What we actually have are workplace

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread b_s-wilk
Perhaps instead of paying millions to a few at the top, they should spend that money to retain the talent that's actually doing the work of the company. A very fine idea that will never happen. It's ironic that most companies can exist and prosper without top management, but will fail

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread mike
We don't agree on much, Steve, but this we do. The trouble happens when some people have bought into believing their guy or girl isn't part of the caste system, and are blind to the real behind the scenes. The players at the top depend on the little guys arguing at the bottom so they don't see

Re: [CGUYS] A tale of two Gulags

2009-11-30 Thread b_s-wilk
The capitalist caste system can be broken. It's not like the real caste system where those who reject it are designated to be in the outcaste caste, and others are told that their fate depends on accepting their lot and hoping to be reborn in a higher caste. The capitalist castes are a state