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The point is it SHOULD break if it's a new subject or alteration of the
original subject.
Like this email...should I put this with your quote in Tom's thread
regarding this topic or keep it in this thread because you may not read
Tom's?
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Tony B wrote:
> Alright guys. If your comments have nothing to do with DSL & Answering
> machines, keep it to yourself or at least change the subject (IF it
> still relates to computers).
>
>
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Alright guys. If your comments have nothing to do with DSL & Answering
machines, keep it to yourself or at least change the subject (IF it
still relates to computers).
> Tell me how I can double my income please.
>>> ...make the rest live on less than $100,000 and no bonuses, especially
>>> when
Tell me how I can double my income please.
Stewart
At 11:01 PM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
...make the rest live on less than $100,000 and no bonuses,
especially when their companies tank.
You mean if I tank the company I get $100 grand?
Ok, I'll get to work immediately.
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especially when their companies tank.
You mean if I tank the company I get $100 grand?
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The more the world is run by "invertors" and MBAs who don't know
which end of a screw driver they are supposed to hold on to, the
worse the descisionmaking gets.
Well, possibly true. Personally I don't know jack about all this
derivative stuff but I do know how to get things done. I know
wher
Some investors went so far as to say Verizon's investment in FiOS "doomed"
the company, while others just claimed it was a huge waste of money -- and
that upgrades weren't necessary. Yet ironically FiOS (alongside wireless)
is helping Verizon weather the recession...
Were these the same busine
>Some investors went so far as to say Verizon's investment in FiOS "doomed"
>the company, while others just claimed it was a huge waste of money -- and
>that upgrades weren't necessary. Yet ironically FiOS (alongside wireless)
>is helping Verizon weather the recession...
Were these the same busi
At 10:36 PM -0500 2/27/09, Eric S. Sande wrote:
Either wait until I or someone like me makes it happen for you at
a competitive rate or pay a market rate for the service level you
want. I'll do it, if you're in my territory. It will cost you just the
same price as it costs government or enterp
Whether individual households use this service or not isn't important. The
benefits to nonusers from businesses, schools and communities >being more
connected, resourceful and efficient will affect them >positively even if
they don't use broadband themselves.
Well, that has not been my experie
BTW, if telcos never made money from residential service, how
did they pay my dividends for so many years, including 2008?
Residential service is a drop in the revenue bucket (one that
is getting smaller by the day, by the way). A maintenance or
installation truck roll costs virtually the same
So are you are saying that without regulation to "redistribute wealth,"
many (most?) residential customers would have no telephone service?
No, I'm saying that it's a cost of doing business. State tariffs normally
cap rate of return, set prices and define, strictly, performance
standards. If I
>Now, are there third party solar backups for FIOS? Or DC powered backups
>coupled with generators?
FIOS will only need a few milliamperes. You could put the 2 cats on a
treadmill hooked to a small generator.
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Don't laugh it would make great money for the seniors and much
appreciated work for the youngsters.
Stewart
At 03:41 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote:
Well, $15 will buy you at least 2 decent meals where I live.
This gives me an idea (I'm serious about this). If anybody knows a young
person who wants
Well, $15 will buy you at least 2 decent meals where I live.
This gives me an idea (I'm serious about this). If anybody knows a young
person who wants an idea for a service project of some sort, perhaps
volunteering to help working folks apply for rebates would qualify.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4
Yes it has, but I still see rebates of 10-15$.
I just finished sending out a rebate of $15 for a motherboard.
Stewart
At 01:30 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote:
I'm curious, what size rebate do you have in mind? A $25 rebate would seem
enough to justify the paperwork even if you're busy, money is mon
I'm curious, what size rebate do you have in mind? A $25 rebate would seem
enough to justify the paperwork even if you're busy, money is money
(especially nowadays when investments are nothing to write home about).
I have to add that, since it has generally become possible to check the
status of
Many small farmers do not like dealing with subsidies as they find
they take too much paperwork, and often do not pay enough for what it is worth.
Most small businesses and people are like this. How many rebate
forms have you filled out the past 12 months?
My wife is a stay at home empty nes
>I'd always go for the carrot [incentives] first before considering the
>stick [regulations or punishment].
Then why do folks get so upset when someone proposes paying rewards to
students who get good grades?
Often the problem with rewards is that people expend huge resources
finding ways to g
>The stick would only be used on companies that
>take the incentives without producing desired results.
The telcos did that recently, but there was no stick. We got stuck with a
charge on our monthly phone bills for something that never happened.
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When AT&T was AT&T they made money on the long distance portion of
your Bill. That was always the money end. They also make money on
Business users.
Our church pays twice as much as a residential customer because we
are a business. Yet we use it a lot less than a residential phone.
Plus t
The telcos NEVER made money from residential dialtone, and
it remains heavily regulated. We have no choice but to provide
it but it remains a cost of doing business.
Broadband is a different story but even in that arena franchise
agreements have to be negotiated with entities as small as
countie
>The telcos NEVER made money from residential dialtone, and
>it remains heavily regulated. We have no choice but to provide
>it but it remains a cost of doing business.
So are you are saying that without regulation to "redistribute wealth,"
many (most?) residential customers would have no teleph
That's where incentives are needed. I know you're conservative, but do
you object to tax incentives and subsidies to bring the US up to speed
with other developed countries so we can compete educationally and
industrially?
I object to a lot of things that the government does with my
money, esp
With big outages, catastrophes... the point is often you can't go
elsewhere because of the conditions or because there is nowhere to go
because everyone else is trying to do the same.
A bit of self-sufficiency is a good thing for all me thinks.
Did you see the special coverage recently
Let's be more 21st century realistic.
I live in a solar house. One year when the outside temp went down to
-12F, it was in the 60s indoors, upper 70s in the greenhouse. It's
usually in the mid 60s-70s during the winter. On cloudy days, we have
propane heat. The coldest it's ever been is 48F af
I lived pretty rurally in Northern Wisconsin a decade ago, and they
were running a fiber optic cable from east to west along the highway
out in front of our house.
I was told at the time that Williams was laying the fiber optic as
part of a backbone. Now all we had was dial up and a crummy ca
Our neighbor has that natural gas whole house generator system which
was installed by the power company and works pretty well. I'm still
trying to figure out how many amps I'll lose by running a 1000-foot
extension cord to his house :)
Richard P.
> Down here a lot of folks opt for the whole house
Actually after the last major storm which knocked out power for
several days during the winter, I installed passive gas heaters as
backup systems which don't require electricity to operate. That
coupled with a gas water heater and stove, along with municipality
supplied water, we can make do pretty
Down here a lot of folks opt for the whole house power generator backup.
Natural Gas (which floes pretty much nom matter) powered generators.
Stewart
At 12:55 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going
to stay there. I mean, no phone is mino
we have fibre up our private street serving 11 homes but I don't think
verizon owns it (some rumor it may be owned by a sub of Google) ...I hate
this and feel this is where the government has a role in seeing to it the
comm link is at a certain min level of service for all ...the downtrodden
county
> Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery
> included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a
> few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter
> and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy da
Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going
to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no
refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
> Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup b
Actually, the incentives for the telephone company to replace copper
pairs with fiber throughout their service area (urban or rural) are
there - the outside copper plant is aging rapidly and becoming an
expensive nightmare to maintain. I suspect the maintenance cost per
cable mile of copper is sig
Actually, the incentives for the telephone company to replace copper
pairs with fiber throughout their service area (urban or rural) are
there - the outside copper plant is aging rapidly and becoming an
expensive nightmare to maintain. I suspect the maintenance cost per
cable mile of copper is
"Eric S. Sande" escribió:
I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS.
I think I tried to explain this at some point. I'll try it again.
We get a greater rate of return from an all optical network, frankly.
Yes it costs more to deploy and not everyone will choose to take
I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS.
I think I tried to explain this at some point. I'll try it again.
We get a greater rate of return from an all optical network, frankly.
Yes it costs more to deploy and not everyone will choose to take
it. That is called "take ra
I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS. Yes,
fiber-optic has more bandwidth, but at a huge price. Since you can use
POTS copper lines for VDSL at 100Mbps speed for a lower cost than FIOS,
why not do both? The original cost for the DSL switches less than 8
years ago was $
Does FIOS have backup power from the main office like POTS?
No, but neither does much of POTS if you are served out of a
remote terminal of some kind. Which people increasingly are.
Many or most of these devices have some kind of backup and
that is where we would deploy crews first.
I think t
Ours was cut right at the NID and left on the line.
> I watched my FIOS installation go in an he left the POTS line connected
> at
> the house and I don't think he disconnected us at the pole. I wonder
> if it
> was disconnected.
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They recommended one person per congregation!
You forget how people associate sometimes. 1 per a thousand would be
useless and would fast be overwhelmed.
Stewart
At 06:34 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation
>get a ARL and buy h
my 3 nieces lived within a short radius of the wtc at the time of 9/11 ...we
finally reached them by cell phone even though the towers went down ...they
were able to get some service from nj ...we are forever thankful the
buildings, if they were destined to fall, did so as they did straight down.
O
magic jack requires a computer to work ...my voip works with only the cable
modem and the phone modem.
-Original Message-
From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service
> That's true. But th
I have seen an article which states you can insist they leave the pots; some
say you tell them you are getting an alarm system that requires pots to work
...what they want is the copper!!
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From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:40 P
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone
> >package, I would have signed up with them long ago
>
> Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny
> battery of uncertain reliability. Not good.
>
>
I wa
...we just got a large race car venue here and the homeland security
apparently required the principal routes leading to/from it be covered by
cellular resulting in an app before our planning/zoning board for a tower to
cover the gulph there ...I don't think you are alone thinking the pots is
going
They just got fios to the county seat ...in a good wind I can spit into that
jurisdiction ...however, we do NOT get FIOS and they say no breath holding
is advised ...I am with comcast now which gives me net at dsl speed and free
tv basic for a year ...I have never been a comcast customer before ...
While cellphones don't usually go out with power, they did in the DC
area several years ago after high winds came through. The power for
the local cellphone towers went down for a couple of days but POTS
still worked the entire time (thank you Verizon!).
Richard P
and cell phones usually don't
Although cable *may* go out during a power outage, it may not - people
here on the mountain tell about using their generators and being
amazed cable was still up. Besides, VOIP can also be carried over
satellite or DSL, and cell phones usually don't go out with the power
either.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2
Certainly flaky power is a consideration when evaluating
communications systems for the home. Ours is very reliable, and when
it does go out, I don't really get any big urge to call anyone. I
suppose I could have a medical emergency during a power outage when my
wife isn't home with her cell phone,
I don't think that's sufficient justification to keep POTS ...just buy a
simple battery backup unit which, for the small draw of a cable modem and
the voip modem, will likely last many hours most likely longer than any
outage at least around here ...I was with ATT.net ever since they came over
fro
> That's true. But there are two things to consider.
> 1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
> system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
> 2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
> I remember the phones not working was on 9/
>If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone
>package, I would have signed up with them long ago
Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny
battery of uncertain reliability. Not good.
>Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation
>get a ARL and buy hand held portable radios.
Yes it is sensible for 1 person out of a 1,000 to serve the community,
but it is not a high priority for every individual. If I lived in some
remote location I would certainly up
I must say, I have DSL speed but it is the cable from the cable TV provider,
not the phone wire ...with that, I have reached the bitter end of my
personal knowledgebase...
-Original Message-
From: db [mailto:db...@att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:42 PM
To: rleesimon
Subject:
Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation
get a ARL and buy hand held portable radios.
For when all else fails, and all land lines, etc. fail, ARL is still
on the air.
ARL are much easier to get than they used to be, and a decent hand
held radio is only about 300$
Plain Old Telephone Service
Mike
Judy Cosler wrote:
POTS??
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During Katrina the only way to reach many of the people in and around
the NO area was text messaging on cell phones.
Land Lines were out, Some Cell towers were overwhelmed and the
Internet of course was out.
During the tornado in Enterprise, AL, again Cell phones were one of
the few communic
I agree with the concept of what you wrote, but when I lose power, the
DSL service AND the voice line goes out about 15 minutes later (I have a
backup generator that keeps my house power up). It seems that I am
served by a local repeater that has its own battery backup - one that is
supposed to
voip with some providers needs the computer to run it (like it is for
www.magicjack.com) ...but for the kind of voip I got, only the 2 modems need
to run; I shut down my computer system at night. I never knew that until I
researched about it and it became one reason why I got www.phonepower.com
wh
>POTS??
"Plain Old Telephone Service"
Believe it of not, that is the industry term for it.
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I don't think that's sufficient justification to keep POTS ...just buy a
simple battery backup unit which, for the small draw of a cable modem and
the voip modem, will likely last many hours most likely longer than any
outage at least around here ...I was with ATT.net ever since they came over
from
Plain Old Telephone Service, also known as analog.
Richard P.
> POTS??
>
>
>> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
>> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing. And in times of
>> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too. For a period
I've used POTS twice this month alone when the power went out(along
with the heat), while it was less than 20 degrees outside. I consider
that enough of an emergency use to be worth having and paying for. In
addition, the sound quality is superior to any non-POTS service I've
heard. If Verizon woul
POTS??
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM, db wrote:
> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing. And in times of
> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too. For a period after the
> Seattle and LA
>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
>possibilities.
I see you are from the Dick Cheney school of disaster planning, still
waiting for the Iraquis to throw rose petals at us.
>But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
>amateur radio license and maintai
That's true. But there are two things to consider.
1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
I remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I h
Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go
out too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing. And in
times of regional crisis, cellular is typically out too. For a period
after the Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy.
POTS ha
>One of my members has this (91 years young) and it is a god send if
>she were to have something happen. I am on her call list in case she
>does not answer the monitors call back.
Cell phones can do that too. I recently bought a "big numbers" cell
phone. It includes an emergency button that ca
>If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL
>from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone lines?
Yes but they will probably charge extra for it.
Around here the phone companies have started to offer basic service for
$10 to encourage folks
There are a variety of those services and some are marketed by the
Burglar alarm folks.
(Help I have fallen and I can't get up.)
One of my members has this (91 years young) and it is a god send if
she were to have something happen. I am on her call list in case she
does not answer the monito
like 'Home Alone'?? not sure of the name.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tony B wrote:
> No, all the VOIP services offer 911 now. Only difference is you must
> keep it updated - if you move, or if you're traveling, you change it.
>
> I don't have a cell phone so I have no idea how 911 works o
E911 can be used from a Cell phone or the VOIP services. (It is required)
There was just a stink down here in one of the municipalities that
the Cell phone providers had not been giving them the info for E911
system to work effectively.
But it should not matter if it is VOIP or land line the
No, all the VOIP services offer 911 now. Only difference is you must
keep it updated - if you move, or if you're traveling, you change it.
I don't have a cell phone so I have no idea how 911 works on all those
different networks.
Of course, if you *expect* trouble, say in the case of an ailing
el
don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Tony B wrote:
> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
> you were reluctant to give up the ol
I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
pricing info.
But aga
It depends.
My daughter and S-I-L recently installed DSL and have no land line phone.
Local Phone company is pushing their DSL service even if you desire
no landline phone.
Got a great introductory rate, 19.95 per month for 1.5 service.
Stewart
At 10:02 AM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
OK, here's
OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL from my
ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone lines?
david
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