Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What he does in private stays in private. Stewart At 11:11 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote: Now even I would not use such inflammatory language. Though I find the picture of Ballmer as slave master quite intriguing. He's wearing a black hood and carrying a cat-o-nine-tails. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
> My brother has a BS in engineering. And I have a BEE, which I think outranks a BS. So what? >My brother is apparently so severely wedded to his work situation that he >sees no choice but to stick with Windows 24/7 lest he possibly go hungry. >One could almost say that he is currently a bit e

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>This is completely unfair. Why did you omit Mike? He has an Equity card and I don't want to pay scale. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > My brother has a BS in engineering.  Has worked IT for many many, years and > uses Windows.  He has also used proprietary systems from the airline > industries.  He still uses windows at work and at home. Ditto my brother. He wor

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Chris Dunford
> >You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about > your > >technological/social/political views. > > Have you located us a rich sponsor? > > Add in Chris and Jeff and we could be as obnoxious as the McLaughlin > Group. It would be much better than the tiresome "Cranky Geeks."

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> What do you want to call someone who gets involved in a highly technical > business in which they are going to spend real money without informing > themselves about the technology? > > I suppose some would gleefully call them "sheep waiting to be shorn." > > A good friend would say to them "Hey,

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What was I wrong about. You and I have some fundamental differences on perspective on wether or not Washington is going to save us from themselves. I happen to disagree with you. Stewart At 09:07 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote: To me, your use of the word "intimate" means that the association is s

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread mike
You call people names on this list often, then you complain when others do it who have not. I don't say this to be argumentative, I say it because over the last few months you have become worse in this area. I think we can all agree that the Rev is hardly a flame thrower On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Tom part of the problem is that you intimate someone is an idiot if >they do not agree with you. To me, your use of the word "intimate" means that the association is something being created in your mind. I certainly do not think that I typically call people idiots. You are jumping to conclusi

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about your >technological/social/political views. Have you located us a rich sponsor? Add in Chris and Jeff and we could be as obnoxious as the McLaughlin Group. It would be much better than the tiresome "Cranky Geeks."

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom part of the problem is that you intimate someone is an idiot if they do not agree with you. There are plenty of folks who graduate and get into the industry and know as much as you do or more and they make different choices and choose different OS's and hardware does that make them idiots

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>And you're calling other people idiots? What do you want to call someone who gets involved in a highly technical business in which they are going to spend real money without informing themselves about the technology? I suppose some would gleefully call them "sheep waiting to be shorn." A good

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> And your reference to the "sex offenders registry" was just innocent > elaboration? You really have to have a troubled mind to put those 2 unrelated statements together and twist that into gay bashing. Never mind that you missed my painfully obvious example of "guilt by association," which is w

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Ranbo
Tom, You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about your technological/social/political views. Also consider comedy writing if you haven't. I'm being serious here. I like the pointed, biting, sarcastic, caustic humor, independent of its content. What do you say? How about

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Oh right, I said something uncomplimentary about a gay man, who just And your reference to the "sex offenders registry" was just innocent elaboration? But this is getting nowhere. It is just List pollution. Can we all move on and get back on topic? **

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> HOWEVER, what does gay bashing and general hate mongering have to do > with > computers? Absolutely nothing, which is why I said nothing of the sort. Oh right, I said something uncomplimentary about a gay man, who just also happens to be a corrupt and power-mad Democratic congresscritter.

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread mike
Yes people, please stay on topic so Tom can preach to us all and then tell us to shush. Maybe if you called some of the listeners homophobes again you'd win more over? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he >

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he >is guilty. I work in Washington. I have first-hand experiences of politicians and government bureaucrats. I know that what Rush Limbaugh tells you about them is self-serving fiction. They are mostly good people. You should

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No gay bashing was intended. I think what they were referring to was Franks refusal to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac come under some sort of supervision a number of years ago that may have tempered some of the problems. No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread mike
You overstep yourself. Gay bashing? Keep your so called truth to yourself and mind your own tongue. If you want the topic reset, make the request, don't blather about with idiocy and then reprimand others for doing what you are engaged in. Your putrid hatred is getting old, calling names indeed

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Some of them, sure, with more than a little help from Barney Frank and >friends... You really do live in an alternate reality. Rep. Frank is a very smart and talented legislator who is working very hard to work the USA out of the mess the wing-nuts put us in. For many years his was a lonely voi

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> There you go again, name calling and attributing to me things I did not > write. Sure you did. It's not my fault that you believe your own PR. I'm name calling? I hope that you have a doctor's note for your literary Tourette's. ***

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Did not think it was anything except error. I doubt that the person who changed your (supposedly quoted) S to $ meant to be malicious; probably just a fool. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > Okay, Chris, I saw that you were offended when someone changed text > you wrote and t

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Tom's Rule of Social Intercourse #1: Everyone else is quite stupid. There you go again, name calling and attributing to me things I did not write. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy *

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Chris Dunford
> Okay, Chris, I saw that you were offended when someone changed text you > wrote and then quoted you. You just grabbed someone's post and > attributed it (wrongly to me). Who ever's BS it may be, it is not mine. > > Thank you, > > Mark Snyder Yes, it was wrong, but you'll note that I already p

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Chris Dunford
> > They accept things like viruses as normal. They > > have low aspirations and no desire to do better. > > > > Quite sad. > > Nobody accepts viruses as normal, Mark. As to low aspirations, that's > pure BS. Sorry, that was Tom, not Mark. I guess my low aspirations prevented me from checking t

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Okay, Chris, I saw that you were offended when someone changed text you wrote and then quoted you. You just grabbed someone's post and attributed it (wrongly to me). Who ever's BS it may be, it is not mine. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > They accept things like viruses as no

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Chris Dunford
> They accept things like viruses as normal. They > have low aspirations and no desire to do better. > > Quite sad. Nobody accepts viruses as normal, Mark. As to low aspirations, that's pure BS. * ** List info, subscripti

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> Yes, the 50-cent screwdriver can get the work done -- sometimes. And if > it doesn't, you can always lower your standards to the point where the > 50-cent screwdriver is adequate. Low aspirations and ridicule of those > who say "We can do better" will get you through the day. I see you've upgrad

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You also have to be Arrogant, insufferable, a Jack Ass, a Never mind, they all seem to fit. Stewart At 10:23 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: Oh, and if you want to properly channel "House," you'll need more than to call people idiots for not agreeing with you. You need to be not only irreparab

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the >Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their >goals using Windows. Yes, the 50-cent screwdriver can get the work done -- sometimes. And if it doesn't, you can always lower your standards to the point whe

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> If Jeff had his way, the stricter regulation would protect us from > defective software like the playground for viruses that is Windows. I like choice and the freedom to choose. You seem to prefer dictates, irrationality, demagoguery and fear-mongering. That about sums up your bag of cheap deb

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> Once again lacking facts or rationality, Jeff resorts to ridicule. I thought your posts were set to that by default. Life's too short, beyond mocking your absurdist reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I would not have the same level of confidence in cheaper computer >hardware and software until there is a CSA (Computer and Software >Administration) evaluating all new hardware and software, which of >course, is just silly. Excellent point. If Jeff had his way, the stricter regulation would

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Oh my, Thomas, have you uncovered the little known fact that there are bad >people in the world? What new secrets will delight us with next? Once again lacking facts or rationality, Jeff resorts to ridicule. * ** List inf

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
>This was first noticed on some generic version of Wellbutrin Sr in >which patients were complaining that they did not feel as if their >symptoms were being controlled the same as they were under the name >brand drug. When studies were undertaken it turned out that the >generics were not time r

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-14 Thread Jeff Wright
> Then how good do you feel when you buy that store brand drug and open > the > package to discover a label inside that says "Mfg. by Dr. Tom's Drug > Emporium and Spa, Baluchistan, Pakistan." > > Interested in some low-cost baby formula "fortified" with melamine? > > Can I interest you in some d

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

2009-04-14 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Here's a question for the non-Bizarro world: Would you buy a comparable >generic drug over the retail version, if it is shown to be as safe and >effective and only 40% the cost? (That's "60% less" for >percentage-challenged Tom.) Then how good do you feel when you buy that store brand drug and