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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:13:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html
Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an
authority on law
Except that there is no prosecution in a civil suit. There is a
plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of
injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a
civil trial. Go bankrupt? Well yeah.
So you are signing up to be our guarantor?
We
This would have be covered by the fair use provision. Now who knows.
Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA.
Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained to
the floor and being repeatedly questioned about Britney Spears.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
This would have be covered by the fair use provision. Now who knows.
Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA.
Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained
to the floor and being repeatedly questioned
Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks.
Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF?
Besides if they are going to go after anyone for talking about the programs
used for this someone like Leo Laporte would be high on that list. He
has
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks.
Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF?
Too poor at the moment for donations. I guess I should write. I wasn't too
hopeful with
We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are
plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law
really such a problem for you?
As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
could have asked?
That would be illegal so
LOL! The first amendment is free speech and the 2nd is bearing arms.
So, you must be advocating the right to shooting one's mouth off?
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this
issue.
You are hardly an authority on
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
Nero?
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can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
Nero?
That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here.
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As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
could have asked?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
Nero?
That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html
Another article about DMCA myths.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm
This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM,
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm
This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
could have asked?
On Thu, Jan 22,
Only if it is a copyrighted piece.
If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the
copyright holder it is legal.
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.
Stewart
At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote:
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
some kind of criminal?
We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy
protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice
is
If I understand it correctly. The copyright law has changes so that
anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection.
If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything
you have produced.
However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is
not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the
content is illegal.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
If I understand it correctly. The
Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can
we show at least basic respect here, please?
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance.
Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.
Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court.
How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must
first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses.
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities
of the software.
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Only if it is a copyrighted piece.
If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the
copyright holder it is legal.
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy,
I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him,
name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he
gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com
http://www.macworld.com/article/59605/2006/12/handbrake.html
Fantastic program, came to windows not long ago.
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: Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with
him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom
gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll
handle it.
On Thu, Jan
You are unreal. LOL.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.
Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court.
How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must
first
Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum
standard of basic courtesy.
Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of
blatant disrespect of list members. Please show basic respect; this is
not a list for brats.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
Cheers.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com
wrote:
Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum
standard of basic courtesy.
Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of
blatant disrespect of list
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Judy Cosler jcos...@starpower.net wrote:
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of
the software.
Roxio sells a package that is called Roxio Easy DVD Copy. As to what it
does who can tell from that description. I've never
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to
feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app
on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html
Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an
authority on law or computers.
Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified
(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the
assertion.
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to
feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app
on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is
not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the
content is illegal.
If you do go over to the doom9 site and read his Revisited story about
the DMCA you will see the site owner jummping up and down
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities
of the software.
Answering that question is a crime. Sorry.
You should also refrain from asking us how to manufacture nerve gas in
your bath tub. Mike will want to show off and tell you, but we won't let
him.
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
some kind of criminal?
If the file were not protected there would be no need to ask the
question. It would be easy to copy by normal means.
I'm poor, you would have better luck turning in rich geeks like Kevin Rose
or Leo Laporte...how about windows lover Paul Thurrott? Tom should get his
teeth into turning that guy in...hmmm. How about the entire staff at
Macworld...or PCMAG?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Piwowar
Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the
ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at
some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead
you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the
ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at
some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead
you egg
It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever
he wants since he controls the +k/b.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Right..ban or moderate those who
Tom,
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.
A lot of people believe
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.
Most smart lawyers will advise you
Hey Tom ...why donna you tella dem all it's OK to copy all dem movies so
long as they send you a copy!! ...hehee!
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From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
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