Re: [coreboot] failing ref on the KGPE-D16

2017-01-09 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:16 AM, ron minnich wrote: > > This is the commit that causes KGPE-D16 to fail: > commit c2973d196d1224a1253478dc29d5f8fa004eaab8 > Author: Furquan Shaikh > Date: Tue Nov 29 22:07:42 2016 -0800 > > > Sorry Furquan! I can't run if I build with this one. > I think I fou

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 01/09/2017 05:28 PM, Nico Huber wrote: These are all good reasons not to buy a CPU that requires black-box updates. But not against applying the update if you have such a CPU. Nico Of course, which is why I warned the thread parent earlier in the email chain. It seems a lot of people fail

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
This is called "why we should print the values and not just a message like 'transfer too big'" :-) nice catch. Hope that fixes it. On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:57 PM Kyösti Mälkki wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:13 AM, ron minnich wrote: > > what's weird is coreboot is unchanged, just the payl

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:13 AM, ron minnich wrote: > what's weird is coreboot is unchanged, just the payload. > > I am wondering if anyone recognizes this > > IMD small region: > IMD ROOT0. bfffec00 0400 > ROMSTAGE1. bfffebe0 0004 > GDT 2. bfffe9e0 0200 > Writi

[coreboot] failing ref on the KGPE-D16

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
This is the commit that causes KGPE-D16 to fail: commit c2973d196d1224a1253478dc29d5f8fa004eaab8 Author: Furquan Shaikh Date: Tue Nov 29 22:07:42 2016 -0800 Sorry Furquan! I can't run if I build with this one. ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://www.coreboot.org/mail

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 05:12 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:00 PM Timothy Pearson > mailto:tpear...@raptorengineering.com>> > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/09/2017 04:55 PM, ron minni

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:00 PM Timothy Pearson < tpear...@raptorengineering.com> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/09/2017 04:55 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > yes I do. I'm working from ToT. Bisecting now > > This brings up an interesting question. How should we be t

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 04:55 PM, ron minnich wrote: > yes I do. I'm working from ToT. Bisecting now This brings up an interesting question. How should we be testing for payload-dependent failures on systems like the REACTS? The possibility of the payload cau

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
yes I do. I'm working from ToT. Bisecting now On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:37 PM Nico Huber wrote: > IIRC, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/17910/ fixed something similar. > It's merged yet, do you have it applied? > > Nico > > On 09.01.2017 23:27, David Hendricks via coreboot wrote: > > Iru had a si

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Reasons to hate microcode updates: > * They enable companies to ship broken CPU's and fix them later thus a > CPU undergoes less testing (remember when software/games didn't have and > worked fine without a day one patch?) > that's actually

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread Nico Huber
IIRC, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/17910/ fixed something similar. It's merged yet, do you have it applied? Nico On 09.01.2017 23:27, David Hendricks via coreboot wrote: > Iru had a similar problem very recently: > https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2017-January/082806.html > > Iru -

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 04:28 PM, Nico Huber wrote: > On 09.01.2017 23:07, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> Reasons to hate microcode updates: >> * They enable companies to ship broken CPU's and fix them later thus a >> CPU undergoes less testing (remember when softwar

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Nico Huber
On 09.01.2017 23:07, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Reasons to hate microcode updates: > * They enable companies to ship broken CPU's and fix them later thus a > CPU undergoes less testing (remember when software/games didn't have and > worked fine without a day one patch?) Well, I remember when a x86 C

Re: [coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread David Hendricks via coreboot
Iru had a similar problem very recently: https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2017-January/082806.html Iru - Were you able to resolve the issue you saw? On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:13 PM, ron minnich wrote: > what's weird is coreboot is unchanged, just the payload. > > I am wondering if anyo

[coreboot] new problem with KGPE-d16

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
what's weird is coreboot is unchanged, just the payload. I am wondering if anyone recognizes this IMD small region: IMD ROOT0. bfffec00 0400 ROMSTAGE1. bfffebe0 0004 GDT 2. bfffe9e0 0200 Writing AMD DCT configuration to Flash CBFS: 'Master Header Locator' located

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread taii...@gmx.com
Reasons to hate microcode updates: * They enable companies to ship broken CPU's and fix them later thus a CPU undergoes less testing (remember when software/games didn't have and worked fine without a day one patch?) * Theoretically a nation state actor could screw around with a CPU and have an

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Rudolf Marek
Hi Timothy, Many thanks for pointing this out! We should put this somewhere to Wiki, in VERY LARGE letters as over the years I'm also very sensitive to all the people not liking to do their microcode update. I always failed to explain that microcode is not a program (despite the "code" in the wor

Re: [coreboot] Trusting coreboot versus trusting the FSP

2017-01-09 Thread David Hendricks via coreboot
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Nico Huber wrote: > Without pro- > per, public documentation and the promise by the vendor that this docu- > mentation is correct _and_ comprehensive, we can't tell anything about > the state of the hardware... > > beside the RAM contents and the program we are exe

Re: [coreboot] Trusting coreboot versus trusting the FSP

2017-01-09 Thread Nico Huber
On 09.01.2017 17:38, Trammell Hudson wrote: > At 33c3 a question came up about "how can we trust and audit coreboot?" > compared to things like the Intel Firmware Support Package (FSP). > I'm relaying it to the list for discussion. > > The FSP is a x86 binary blob that has an init function that wr

Re: [coreboot] coreboot on KGPE-D16 "boot-loops"

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
I'd be curious to know if any ram you have works ... On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:34 AM Pi Van Den Cirkel wrote: > Hey Timothy, I provided log for two cases. > 1) With RAM: HMT42GR7CMR4C-G7 D8 AC - two modules, one module in slot A2 > The log is: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/83d4816c/ and repeat

Re: [coreboot] coreboot on KGPE-D16 "boot-loops"

2017-01-09 Thread Pi Van Den Cirkel
Hey Timothy, I provided log for two cases. 1) With RAM: HMT42GR7CMR4C-G7 D8 AC - two modules, one module in slot A2 The log is: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/83d4816c/ and repeats over and over again starting at: coreboot-4.5-771-gf3e2679-dirty Fri Jan 6 20:33:58 UTC 2017 romstage starting...

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM Daniel Kulesz wrote: > Hi, > > thank you for the hints. Actually, I am a bit puzzled why some of you > misinterpreted my message as a claim or even a "proof". > I understand, but be aware that people tend to take such statements in the form of "I have not seen a pr

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 11:58 AM, Daniel Kulesz wrote: > Hi, > > thank you for the hints. Actually, I am a bit puzzled why some of you > misinterpreted my message as a claim or even a "proof". Since I haven't seen > (m)any reports about running Coreboot with

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Daniel Kulesz via coreboot
Hi, thank you for the hints. Actually, I am a bit puzzled why some of you misinterpreted my message as a claim or even a "proof". Since I haven't seen (m)any reports about running Coreboot with a Core2Quad Mobile w/o microcode updates (The Libreboot docs even state that these CPUs are incompati

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 11:36 AM, ron minnich wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM taii...@gmx.com > mailto:taii...@gmx.com>> wrote: > > On 01/08/2017 06:50 PM, Daniel Kulesz via coreboot wrote: > > > Hi, > > >

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM taii...@gmx.com wrote: On 01/08/2017 06:50 PM, Daniel Kulesz via coreboot wrote: > Hi, > > for the record: I had the Q9000 (not Q9100) running in my Thinkpad T500 for a few weeks now without microcode updates and did not encounter any issues so far. absence of pr

Re: [coreboot] Trusting coreboot versus trusting the FSP

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 11:10 AM, ron minnich wrote: > well, my flippant answer is also I think the right one: I don't see a > way to build a system I'd trust based on x86 or ARM CPUs any more, and > that's why I'm putting all my work into riscv. RISCV is not re

Re: [coreboot] Minifree Libreboot D16 server/workstation launched

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/07/2017 09:14 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Ah thanks for the info, I had thought all IBM POWER8 systems had open > firmware :( > So to confirm, the more reasonably priced S812LC for 4.8K doesn't have > it? What a shame. Correct. The S812LC is l

Re: [coreboot] Trusting coreboot versus trusting the FSP

2017-01-09 Thread ron minnich
well, my flippant answer is also I think the right one: I don't see a way to build a system I'd trust based on x86 or ARM CPUs any more, and that's why I'm putting all my work into riscv. RISCV is not real, yet, but it's getting there, and the x86 situation has only gotten worse, not better, in the

Re: [coreboot] Minifree Libreboot D16 server/workstation launched

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/08/2017 09:27 AM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 01/08/2017 08:12 AM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > >> Le samedi 07 janvier 2017 à 22:14 -0500, taii...@gmx.com a écrit : >>> Ah thanks for the info, I had thought all IBM POWER8 systems had open >>> fir

Re: [coreboot] coreboot on KGPE-D16 "boot-loops"

2017-01-09 Thread Timothy Pearson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2017 10:27 AM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I don't know if this is the same problem as I lack a null modem cable > but mine sometimes takes 30 seconds or so to actually boot and show vga > output. > > If I flip the power switch and turn it back

[coreboot] Trusting coreboot versus trusting the FSP

2017-01-09 Thread Trammell Hudson
At 33c3 a question came up about "how can we trust and audit coreboot?" compared to things like the Intel Firmware Support Package (FSP). I'm relaying it to the list for discussion. The FSP is a x86 binary blob that has an init function that writes magic values to magic registers to bring up the m

Re: [coreboot] coreboot on KGPE-D16 "boot-loops"

2017-01-09 Thread taii...@gmx.com
I don't know if this is the same problem as I lack a null modem cable but mine sometimes takes 30 seconds or so to actually boot and show vga output. If I flip the power switch and turn it back on after a little while I have to wait much longer, in the meantime the PWM fans are off and it is

Re: [coreboot] Does the Core2Quad Mobile Q9100 require microcode updates?

2017-01-09 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 01/08/2017 06:50 PM, Daniel Kulesz via coreboot wrote: Hi, for the record: I had the Q9000 (not Q9100) running in my Thinkpad T500 for a few weeks now without microcode updates and did not encounter any issues so far. Cheers, Daniel On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:25:18 -0500 "taii...@gmx.com" w

Re: [coreboot] coreboot on KGPE-D16 "boot-loops"

2017-01-09 Thread David
Hello, I had the same issue a couple of months ago. Could you try to disable serial and see if it helps ? Generic Drivers -> Serial Port on SuperIO (untick) Cheers -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot