On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 00:36 +, Doug Schaefer wrote:
+1 for that. I've seen (and made for that matter) commercial products
do that. Download a minimal p2 install with an Eclipse application
that drives the rest of the install. We could ask for a list of
languages or platforms they want to
On 07/30/2013 09:09 AM, Krzysztof Daniel wrote:
I'm very skeptical about P2 in the downloader. It was created in the
past (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Installer) and never made
into real world. AFAIK it would suffer from the same issues as regular
P2 - does require java to be
Packages are good because they provide a nice starting point for the
user since they aggregate the most common features together (e.g. Java
or Java EE).
I think we could improve the situation by:
- Getting rid of some of the obscure / too narrow focused packages.
- On first start, prompt the
On 07/30/2013 12:35 AM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
Would user experience be better if there was only one Eclipse package
on the main download site that had pretty much everything that's in
the aggregated repository?
I really don't think so.
Packages are a good way to start which
On 07/30/2013 11:01 AM, Pascal Rapicault wrote:
- On first start, prompt the user with a customization wizard that let
the user add more plugins to his Eclipse. For example, it could ask
questions about the language being used, the SCM, etc.
That would be an interesting approach and a good
+1
The vanilla Welcome page is pretty empty. It could be rearranged so
that the Welcome and Customization Wizard teaser appeared together.
Regards
Ed Willink
On 30/07/2013 10:56, Mickael Istria
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On 07/30/2013
: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually
hurting Eclipse?
On 07/30/2013 12:35 AM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
Would user experience be better if there was only one Eclipse package on the
main download site
A frequent complaint is that Eclipse contains too many things for usage,
so many UI entries make usage more complicated and confusing. I can imagine
that people doing some GMF stuff really don't want WTP at all because it
introduce a lot of new menus, so a GMF user which is used to the Modeling
On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Konstantin Komissarchik
konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com wrote:
so they are actually useful to end-users.
Actually, we have no evidence that users find packages useful. They download
them because what else is there for them to do. Then if they are
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An all in one IDE is a recipe for disaster and will contribute to even more FUD
around Eclipse.
Also I
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An all in one IDE is a recipe for disaster and will contribute to even more
On 07/30/2013 03:23 PM, Campo, Christian wrote:
Thats what I am told that Ultimate is everything. You can probably
still install more, and IntelliJ does not do C/C++ or other languages
(I believe).
The comparison with IntelliJ may not be very helpful when it comes to
packaging because IntelliJ
On 2013-07-30 5:52 PM, Mickael Istria wrote:
And seriously what again is Standard vs Java vs Java EE ?
I agree with that point. I'd rather see those 3 ones replaced with a
general Java and JEE package. It seems to make total sense with the
current status of Java development use-cases.
Are
On 07/30/2013 03:57 PM, Igor Fedorenko wrote:
Are you suggesting forcing webtools on all java developers? Seriously?
I've just had a new look at the Eclipse community survey and since about
45% (~=100% - web dev perventage - RCP percentage - non-Java users
percentage) of Java users are doing
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On 07/30/2013 04:49 PM, Campo, Christian wrote:
But your point about a bloated UI is worthwhile thinking about really.
Its in the same direction of Doug's and Martin's comment. About either
controlling the UI bloat or being able to switch from J2EE to RCP to
WTP in the same IDE without
features
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On 07/30/2013 04:19 PM, Campo, Christian wrote:
Maybe its also because I do a lot of RCP development and always download the
RCP packages for the Eclipse IDE. Recently I decided to do some WTP
There are twelve packages currently listed on the downloads page, not
counting the promoted ones. Are so many packages actually a benefit to
users? We try to define packages based on developer profiles, but real
developers rarely fit a profile. One of the most common complaints that I
have seen on
-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting
Eclipse?
There are twelve packages currently listed on the downloads page, not counting
the promoted ones. Are so many packages actually a benefit to users? We try to
define packages based on developer profiles, but real developers rarely fit a
profile
-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting
Eclipse?
There are twelve packages currently listed on the downloads page, not counting
the promoted ones. Are so many packages actually a benefit to users? We try to
define packages based on developer profiles, but real developers rarely
From: Doug SchaeferSent: Monday, July 29, 2013 8:16 PMTo: Cross project issuesReply To: Cross project issuesSubject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?
That's great question I was asking
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That's great question I was asking myself looking at the Download page the
other day. I don't think I have a great answer though
: Monday, July 29, 2013 6:11 PM
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+1
Looking at your Linux distro of choice or Android as examples... this model
works very well and is still nicely flexible.
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