Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread P.J. Ponder
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Greg Broiles wrote: <. . . .> > > What scares me is the possibility that there won't even be an argument > about whether or not a particular clump of ciphertext decodes to a > particular bit of plaintext because I don't think it'll be possible to > cross-examine prosecution

Re: White House Report: Preserving America's Privacy in the Next Century

1999-09-17 Thread P.J. Ponder
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Robert Hettinga wrote: > > We must also recognize the inherent security risks posed by the > spread of and dependence on "open systems" and ready accessibility. > The Defense Department's situation is typical. Making open, publicly-reviewed systems readily accessible is

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:58:26PM -0400, Arnold Reinhold wrote: | I think we should take Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hambre at his | word (from the White House briefing): | | "MR. HAMRE: ... The national security establishment -- the Department | of Defense, the intelligence community --

RE: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Antonomasia
From: Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > after he began talking about some very curious, very complex, very > undocumented instruction he discovered in late-model CPU's. Instructions > that will put the processor into a mode that makes OS protections > irrelevant. This is scary. It could be time

Re: Intel RNG

1999-09-17 Thread Eugene Leitl
Are there any other advantages in a hardware PRNG other than it cannot be overwritten? (Yes your hardware might be incorruptible but the software layers always be). I could imagine the soon-to-arrive (you might disagree but the writing's on the wall) CPUs with considerable FPGA areas will make pu

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Arnold Reinhold
I think we should take Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hambre at his word (from the White House briefing): "MR. HAMRE: ... The national security establishment -- the Department of Defense, the intelligence community -- strongly supports this strategy. Indeed, we created the first draft of the

RSA

1999-09-17 Thread staym
I seem to recall someone saying that if you can get one bit of an RSA message, you can get the whole thing. Or maybe it was the key. Does anyone know where I might be able to find out more about this? -- Mike Stay Programmer / Crypto guy AccessData Corp. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread staym
Our company works with the FBI a lot. We provide the software they actually use to recover passwords. The majority of software out there uses access-denial: the encryption / ofuscation doesn't depend on the password. But to be acceptable in court, you have to prove that you didn't change a si

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Broiles writes: > > What scares me is the possibility that there won't even be an argument > about whether or not a particular clump of ciphertext decodes to a > particular bit of plaintext because I don't think it'll be possible to > cross-examine prosecutio

RE: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Rodger, William
Lucky wrote: > What I found most interesting about today's announcement was not that it > was > largely content-free with respect to crypto export regulations and the > fifth > or sixth such content-free "crypto deregulation" announcement that I can > remember causing the exact same pred

Re: Intel RNG

1999-09-17 Thread Arnold Reinhold
I do not see anything "reasonable" in the excuses Anonymous attributes to Intel not allowing access to raw RNG bits. If Intel wants developers to use their RNG API they need only publish it. Professional programmers these days respect APIs and realize they risk future problems if the do not fo

White House Report: Preserving America's Privacy in the NextCentury

1999-09-17 Thread Robert Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:50:09 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: Privacy: Watch Out for Doublespeak Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Curre

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Martin Minow
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:05:37AM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: > What's the difference between that, and someone claiming that a > certain piece of text decrypts to a sinister message? What's the difference between this and claiming that a certain drop of blood has DNA characteristics that matc

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Greg Broiles
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:05:37AM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: > What's the difference between that, and someone claiming that a > certain piece of text decrypts to a sinister message? > > Seems to me like the best defense against that is mass-market crypto. > Because if the TLA claims that some

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Peter D. Junger
Jeffrey Altman writes: : > I agree it's scary. What's the difference between that, and being : > stopped on a dark road at 2AM by a state trooper? I was, and it was : > scary, because he kept asking me if I had any guns, and he wanted to : > see what was inside the foil candy wrapper on my dash

secure access products for NT?

1999-09-17 Thread Perry E. Metzger
A client of mine is using SSH for all their Unix server access and management and is looking to do something similar for NT -- unfortunately, they can't find a commercial SSH server for NT. Does anyone know of anything else that's in the same class but which *does* run on NT? -- Perry Metzger

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Jeffrey Altman
> I agree it's scary. What's the difference between that, and being > stopped on a dark road at 2AM by a state trooper? I was, and it was > scary, because he kept asking me if I had any guns, and he wanted to > see what was inside the foil candy wrapper on my dashboard (more > foil), but obvious

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread staym
Generally, they'll just be recovering passwords. Then it's easy to show that the plaintext matches the ciphertext. They don't have to reveal where the password came from, of course, merely that it decrypts the file. >If you can not reveal how you descramble it, doesn't that mean you >can't be

ACP Applauds Modernization of Encryption Policy

1999-09-17 Thread Robert Hettinga
More a proof of the uselessness of the new encryption policy than an endorsement, I'd say. If the lobbyists like it, there must be something wrong with it? Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Date: 17 Sep 1999 02:39:53 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Privacy Concerns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Constitution Week announced along with crypto re-controls.

1999-09-17 Thread Anonymous
... thought there was a certain irony in this appearing on the same link as mentioned below: "NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim September 17, 1999, as Citizenship Day and September 17 through September 23, 1999, as Constitution We

new export restrictions and free software

1999-09-17 Thread Nelson Minar
Declan asks, in his Wired News article at http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21810.html >Why did the Clinton administration cave on crypto? I don't understand that they caved on crypto. They've made it easier for commercial products to include crypto, yes. But there are still contro

Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread William Allen Simpson
Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Lucky, actually not everyone missed it. It's our top story on Wired News > this morning. > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21810.html > Decoding the Crypto Policy Change > 3:00 a.m. Why did the White House suddenly change its mind on > regulati

Formal Security Evaluation Survey/History

1999-09-17 Thread Rick Smith
The subject of government mediated evaluations of computer security products has come up a few times on this list, so I'm taking this opportunity to ask the readership for assistance in a survey I've been working on. I'm collecting information about security product evaluations under formal crite

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Russell Nelson
Ben Laurie writes: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Another answer might lie in a > > little-noticed section of the legislation the > > White House has sent to Congress. It > > says that during civil cases or cri

Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
You can find all that and more already archived at www.epic.org and www.cdt.org. -Declan At 08:54 9/17/1999 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: John Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To:

Re: Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Ben Laurie
Declan McCullagh wrote: > Another answer might lie in a > little-noticed section of the legislation the > White House has sent to Congress. It > says that during civil cases or criminal > prose

Re: US encryption announcement: Business as usual

1999-09-17 Thread Greg Broiles
At 12:51 AM 9/17/99 , Bill Stewart wrote: >In the absence of technical constraints, it's hard to tell what >the technical review could be reviewing - we're being told to believe >that we're allowed to export full-strength crypto, >and there aren't requirements for key compromise, >and "works in No

Re: Ah. That's more like it...

1999-09-17 Thread Robert Hettinga
Sorry for the confusion. The title above referred to me passing the *right* information along, as opposed to last year's press announcement, which was, of course, embarrassing, but not the end of the world. As to whether the current administration's new cryptography regulations are better, I

Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Robert Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:08:10 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can now find a fuller set of White House ma

Why did White House change its mind on crypto?

1999-09-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21810.html Decoding the Crypto Policy Change by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3:00 a.m. 17.Sep.99.PDT Why did the Clinton administration cave

RE: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
Lucky, actually not everyone missed it. It's our top story on Wired News this morning. http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21810.html Decoding the Crypto Policy Change 3:00 a.m. Why did the White House suddenly change its mind on regulating encryption? It couldn't be because the N

No Subject

1999-09-17 Thread Anonymous
Washington Post, Friday, 17 September 1999, Page A1 Curbs on Export of Secrecy Codes Ending By Peter S. Goodman and John Schwartz Washington Post Staff Writers The Clinton administration yesterday handed the nation's technology industry the long-sought right to freely export software that cloaks

Re: US encryption announcement: Business as usual

1999-09-17 Thread Bill Stewart
As various people have commented, the critical issue is the > "one-time technical review" by the NSA. In the absence of technical constraints, it's hard to tell what the technical review could be reviewing - we're being told to believe that we're allowed to export full-strength crypto, and there

Re: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Sandy Harris
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Declan McCullagh wr > ites: > > What I found most interesting was what Attorney General Reno said about the > > government's cryptanalysis abilities. When asked if she can break strong, > > >64 bit equivalent crypto, she said, "We ha

RE: more re Encryption Technology Limits Eased

1999-09-17 Thread Lucky Green
Declan wrote: [Various quality information elided] > What I found most interesting was what Attorney General Reno said > about the > government's cryptanalysis abilities. When asked if she can break strong, > >64 bit equivalent crypto, she said, "We have carefully looked at this and > think it's p