Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSS Overlords

Nancy Johnson wrote: The problem is the custom javascripts etc, that were built into the application in 2001 and continually are added to since. I'm not sure its that unusual. Not unusual at all, and the problem is often spread... ...in an att

Re: [css-d] Help

2009/1/22 : > Hi - > > I'm trying to do a very simple CSS site, but when checking my site in IE 7, > my navigation is missing. It's showing in all other browsers except for IE. > > I'm also, having a hard time getting my footer to work. > > My page can be viewed here: > http://doodlebugstudio.com/

Re: [css-d] Help in creating a photo gallery

2009/1/23 u24y...@gmail.com : > I need some guidance in choosing a gallery. > What I'm wanting is when you do a mouse-over or a click onto a thumbnail, a > gallery pops up showing 5 images with a line of text under each one. Hit a > close button and you are back to the list of thumbnails. > So the

Re: [css-d] Arial Narrow pixelated in FireFox

Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/01/23 12:41 (GMT-0500) David Laakso composed: na...@thesmudge.com wrote: Why would Arial Narrow be pixelated in FireFox but smooth in IE? Looking there on XP on CRT with Clearty

Re: [css-d] Footer Issues

Oops, here's the mark-up link again: http://pastie.org/369427 - Mustafa Quilon __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Lis

Re: [css-d] Footer Issues

2009/1/23 : > Hi - > > I'm trying to do a very simple CSS site, but when checking my site in IE 7, > my navigation is missing. It's showing in all other browsers except for IE. > <..snip> Hi Stacy, I haven't checked in IE7 but your page breaks in FF3/Win too. I see some unnecessary 's there. F

Re: [css-d] Continuing IE6 support

At 12:48 AM 1/24/2009 +, Bobby Jack wrote: The problem is those businesses - and they do exist - that enforce IE6 usage with no alternatives available. If we can't convince them, maybe google can: http://www.fiveminuteargument.com/blog/google-save-us That would be a *horrible* idea -- no

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

hi, you can use http://lud.icro.us/wordpress-plugin-head-meta/ for inserting tags on wordpress. to make sure that your stylesheet overrides all other styles, list it last, that is, insert before . use your browser's view source to see if it is placed last. to learn how css cascades, see http://

Re: [css-d] Continuing IE6 support

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jen Strickland wrote: > I don't understand why it is a problem if the web > development community chooses to stop supporting IE6. Users > who need IE6 for certain applications, can continue to > utilize IE6 for those applications, if the so desire and the > application was s

[css-d] Continuing IE6 support

I don't understand why it is a problem if the web development community chooses to stop supporting IE6. Users who need IE6 for certain applications, can continue to utilize IE6 for those applications, if the so desire and the application was stupidly built with such a lack of foresight. U

[css-d] display issues with tab like menu w/ rounded corners ... et tu rounded corners ?

Howdy, I am trying to put together a menu , and in my example there exists a 'gap' between menu items ( apparent on :hover )... I know why the perceived 'gap' is there, I just dont know how to build the menu so it is.. not there. the menu items have one rounded corner ( on the right ), and need t

[css-d] hover on input tag in IE6

Benjamin, I was meaning of just replacing the clunky browser buttons with prettier button images as being the most reliable cross browser solution and forgetting about the hover option altogether. Or would using javascript to fake hover here be acceptable practice.? Thank you again. Dermot.

Re: [css-d] hover on input tag in IE6

On 23/1/09 22:05, Dermot Ward wrote: I guess using images is best in the long run so. Not sure what you mean. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/cs

[css-d] Image Roll-Over

I am back with another question (two in one day!)... Please take a look at the following (validated): Here is the HTML: http://www.eddysound.com/dev/hangmenmc/ Here is the CSS: http://www.eddysound.com/dev/hangmenmc/hangmenmc.css The navigation roll over is not functioning correct in IE. (Top

Re: [css-d] Positioning a background image in holy grail layout

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Richard Grevers wrote: > >> When I remove no-repeat, the background becomes visible, but its offset >> varies as you change the page width. How can I get it static where I want it >> to be? > > That .leftcol is 100% wide, so it stretches far

Re: [css-d] text align to left and image align to right on the same line

Hi Unnikrishna, Have you tried using "text-align: left;" on the containing element and "float: right;" on the image? Best, -JR On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:50 AM, unnikrishna menon damodaran wrote: > > hi all, > > how can i get this done. > > text need to align left and image align to right on the

Re: [css-d] IE6 bumps the P down below one (but not other) floated divs

Kir Talmage wrote: All is well in most current browsers, but IE6 is pushing the paragraphs down below the floating divs. So does IE7 at my end. Problem seems to be caused by IE's "clear right" bugs - no good CSS-only fix that I know of. http://www.metasilkwebworks.com/test/psllc/ If you mov

[css-d] hover on input tag in IE6

Many thanks Benjamin, I guess using images is best in the long run so. Dermot. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List

Re: [css-d] Background Image

You have a content div holding "main" and "sidebar" which are floated left and right. All well and good, except that the floats have taken the two inside divs out of the document flow. If you either add a clearing div right before the of your "content" div, or apply "clearfix" to the "content" d

Re: [css-d] hover on input tag in IE6

On 23/1/09 21:28, Dermot Ward wrote: I think this is a css problem, but if it's not I apologise in advance. I'm trying to style a php input tag for hover and it works great in Firefox and Opera but alas not in IE6 which is the version I use for testing IE, on the assumption that if it works in 6

[css-d] hover on input tag in IE6

Hi all, I think this is a css problem, but if it's not I apologise in advance. I'm trying to style a php input tag for hover and it works great in Firefox and Opera but alas not in IE6 which is the version I use for testing IE, on the assumption that if it works in 6 it should work in more rec

[css-d] Help

Hi - I'm trying to do a very simple CSS site, but when checking my site in IE 7, my navigation is missing. It's showing in all other browsers except for IE. I'm also, having a hard time getting my footer to work. My page can be viewed here: http://doodlebugstudio.com/diadem_hq_site/web/compe

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSS Overlords

Isn't upgrading the IE browser free? I guess it would take the helpdesk employee's time. As one who works for a technologically challenged company, I feel your pain From: Nancy Johnson To: Alexandru Dinulescu Cc: Gunlaug Sørtun ; David Laakso ; css dis

[css-d] text align to left and image align to right on the same line

hi all, how can i get this done. text need to align left and image align to right on the same (base)line. please help. kind regards | umd | __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinf

[css-d] Help in creating a photo gallery

I need some guidance in choosing a gallery. What I'm wanting is when you do a mouse-over or a click onto a thumbnail, a gallery pops up showing 5 images with a line of text under each one. Hit a close button and you are back to the list of thumbnails. So the basic page would have about 10 th

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: TheCSSOverlords

James Leslie wrote: I'd like to hear from one of these IT people who have held back our entire industry, and wasted everyone's money for so much time now. Exactly how long are you going to leave it before migrating this c...@ppy IE6-only application you've forced on everyone? Another month? A yea

Re: [css-d] Background Image

Thank you... The funny thing is that I just had one of my programmers catch my error. I knew it was something simple I was overlooking. Matt Stoneback __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailm

Re: [css-d] Background Image

The background isn't showing up in FF because its children are floated. The CSS spec says that floated elements are taken out of the flow of the document, therefore the parent element won't expand to the height of its children. The quickest fix for you would be this: #content:after { c

Re: [css-d] Background Image

The id "main" will be holding content for the left column. The h3 will also be filled through development. (What you are looking at is at the very early stages of development.) The "content" div holds the two divs of "main" and "sidebar." The image I am trying to tile is behind both of these co

Re: [css-d] Arial Narrow pixelated in FireFox

On 2009/01/23 12:41 (GMT-0500) David Laakso composed: > na...@thesmudge.com wrote: >> Why would Arial Narrow be pixelated in FireFox but smooth in IE? Cleartype can be enabled in IE7 without being enabled for the rest of apps & the desktop. On an initial install of IE7 on XP the enable Cleartype

Re: [css-d] Background Image

2009/1/23 Matthew Stoneback : > Have a quick question that I am sure someone can help with in short > order > > I am starting to go to production on a new site and I cannot seem to get a > background image to function properly on the id "content." To my surprise > the page views correctly in I

Re: [css-d] Background Image

I never use IE as well... I just found it weird that it was actually working for once and Firefox was not. As putting text in those areas, I could, but they have no bearing on why the tiled background image is not working. The code validates besides for two missing "alt" tags. I wanted to keep a

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Virgilio Quilario wrote: You can always put a tag into your html body to include your external css file. I'm pretty sure it would override those linked in the head. that should make your css for the widget re-usable. you may put all overrides into that external f

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: TheCSSOverlords

I'd like to hear from one of these IT people who have held back our entire industry, and wasted everyone's money for so much time now. Exactly how long are you going to leave it before migrating this c...@ppy IE6-only application you've forced on everyone? Another month? A year? A decade? Are you e

[css-d] IE6 bumps the P down below one (but not other) floated divs

I have a page that has2 absolutely positioned divs (for the menu & logo), an unpositioned div to hold all the content (by this I mean it doesn't have a position attribute, just margins) Within the content I have a relatively positioned div (for the masthead), three floated divs (for the featured

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: TheCSSOverlords

But I did not say "let us drop support for IE6". And the page should of course stay viewable and usable. The market share of IE6 will not sink under 1% soon, and even if, 1% paying users are still a lot, so statistics about marketshare are currently pointless: you simply cannot ignore IE. When cli

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

You can always put a tag into your html body to include your external css file. I'm pretty sure it would override those linked in the head. that should make your css for the widget re-usable. you may put all overrides into that external file. cheers, Virgil http://www.jampmark.com On Fri, Jan 2

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Joseph Sims wrote: > Imagine if other mediums had to deal with the same reasoning > that the media they produce has to look the same when viewed > with inferior technology. > > I'm young ... You may be young but, IMHO, you speak a lot of sense! :) It's nice to get a slice o

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: TheCSSOverlords

From: Ingo Chao When clients are comparing the similarity of user experience, they DO look at performance issues in IE too, I assume. So what does it costs to make the page look really equal? -

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: So my advice is to launch your sites/designs when they appear as intended in the good browsers, and just make sure they are not completely inaccessible or unusable or appear too broken in IE7/6. Adjust things later - when you get around to it, and don't mention it anywhere.

[css-d] Background Image

Have a quick question that I am sure someone can help with in short order I am starting to go to production on a new site and I cannot seem to get a background image to function properly on the id "content." To my surprise the page views correctly in IE but not in Firefox! What am I missing?

Re: [css-d] Positioning a background image in holy grail layout

Richard Grevers wrote: When I remove no-repeat, the background becomes visible, but its offset varies as you change the page width. How can I get it static where I want it to be? That .leftcol is 100% wide, so it stretches far outside the browser-window on the left side and changes width with

Re: [css-d] Arial Narrow pixelated in FireFox

na...@thesmudge.com wrote: Why would Arial Narrow be pixelated in FireFox but smooth in IE? Thanks in Advance, Nancy Sosna Bohm Firefox and Opera got a bad case of the "jaggies" on a PC. Better in PC/Safari. You have "Clear Type" enab

Re: [css-d] Footer Issues

2009/1/23 : > Hi - > > I'm trying to do a very simple CSS site, but when checking my site in IE 7, > my navigation is missing. It's showing in all other browsers except for IE. > When I look at your page in FF and test it with a plug-in called Tidy. Who is showing 8 warnings: Line 4 - 8 , mayb

[css-d] Arial Narrow pixelated in FireFox

Why would Arial Narrow be pixelated in FireFox but smooth in IE? Thanks in Advance, Nancy Sosna Bohm P.S. I appreciate being able to read the different views in the current discussions of inline styles and multiple style sheets. I am at the point where I need to join IA (Inline Styles Anonymous).

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

I believe you are wrong. There are valid reasons for adding inline styles. For instance, when creating a plugin or widget for a CMS or other managed site, often the CSS and/or the HTML cannot be modified. On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:52 AM, david wrote: If you can't modify the HTML, you can't add

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

The earlier, the better while there are only few pages on your site. Can you imagine yourself scanning those 100 static pages? Well, however, you can always get a script to clean those embedded styles and automatically link your external css. cheers, virgil http://www.jampmark.com On Fri, Jan 2

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

i also keep my hacks external. so whenever there's a need, i just include them and never need to code again and again. when working on Joomla cms, styles are kept external even when used in 1 page only. but then, as the web site grow, there's always opportunity to use that style again. - virgil h

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: TheCSSOverlords

I work with major blue-chip companies in the UK, and can say that well over 90% of our clients would not accept an unsupported IE6. IE6 currently has roughly 20% of the market share of the browser market, which is around 4-5 times as much as Safari and Opera combined, and only just shy of Firefox's

[css-d] Footer Issues

Hi - I'm trying to do a very simple CSS site, but when checking my site in IE 7, my navigation is missing. It's showing in all other browsers except for IE. I'm also, having a hard time getting my footer to work. My page can be viewed here: http://doodlebugstudio.com/diadem_hq_site/web/compe

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

Imagine if other mediums had to deal with the same reasoning that the media they produce has to look the same when viewed with inferior technology. We never would have made it out of black and white television. At some point, old things have to be left behind, and new things need to be embraced.

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

Having development locked/frozen at IE6 level because "it has to look the same", definitely is a barrier that should be removed now that we write 2009. What kind of arguments do you think might have a chance to work? My stand has for a long time been that only visual designers (and other crazy a

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

Ron Zisman wrote: On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Ron Koster wrote: At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts In that regard, I still don't know how important a facto

[css-d] Positioning a background image in holy grail layout

Hi, I'm slogging away at turning a Joomla template into a holy grail layout. My design has a background-image on the left column, and because we are considering some sprite-like effects with that background, I want to use no-repeat on it. At present if I do that, it vanishes, and must be somewher

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

Michael Stevens wrote: -Original Message- From: Nancy Johnson [mailto:njohnso...@gmail.com] The problem with getting rid of IE6 is too many internal applications especially in the business community will only work in IE6, like the internal application we use. There is no budget to mak

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSS Overlords

Alexandru Dinulescu wrote: My opinion is that standards for old browsers should be dumped, and then force people to upgrade to anything newer. If it is possible for them ... I can't upgrade to IE7 around here without spending a hunk of money to buy XP or Vista (newest version of Windows aroun

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

The old paradigm: we can make a page look equal. This is correct for the most part. But should we still do this? When talking with co-workers, they tell me that a page has to look the same (they usually omit qualifiers like "to the degree possible"). With respect to maintenance costs, performance c

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

Dan Gayle wrote: I believe you are wrong. There are valid reasons for adding inline styles. For instance, when creating a plugin or widget for a CMS or other managed site, often the CSS and/or the HTML cannot be modified. If you can't modify the HTML, you can't add inline styles, either. Ple

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

Ingo Chao wrote: The first one to be convinced is not the client. I believe we have to convince our co-workers, since the old paradigm was promoted by us. Which of the old paradigms are you (mainly) referring to? After all: various models have been and still are promoted all over the place. T

Re: [css-d] Font size

Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: David It has been a little busier than normal. However, the CSS and HTML are all valid and nothing has changed. URL: http://www.choroideremia.org/new/crf_header.php Angus MacKinnon "Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light