Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-15 Thread Kathy Wheeler
On 03/16/2011, at 11:53 AM, Al Sparber wrote: > It works for IE8, too. What happened with your client is that he probably was > using IE7. You are using IE8 and could not duplicate the problem until you > went into Compatibility View, which essentially means that your IE8 was > behaving like it

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-15 Thread Al Sparber
On 3/15/2011 8:41 PM, Kathy Wheeler wrote: On 03/16/2011, at 8:47 AM, Al Sparber wrote: The biggest source for issues in IE9 is when users inadvertantly click the compatibility view icon. To prevent that, we usually recomend using this meta tag in your page: xhtml version: html version:

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-15 Thread Kathy Wheeler
On 03/16/2011, at 8:47 AM, Al Sparber wrote: > The biggest source for issues in IE9 is when users inadvertantly click the > compatibility view icon. To prevent that, we usually recomend using this meta > tag in your page: > > xhtml version: > > > html version: > Does that trick also work fo

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-15 Thread Al Sparber
On 3/15/2011 5:19 PM, Claude Needham wrote: Or, in other words, will my pages that look good in IE8 look just as good in IE9? Your pages will appear in IE9 pretty much as they do in modern Firefox, Opera, or Webkit browsers. The biggest source for issues in IE9 is when users inadvertantly cli

[css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-15 Thread Claude Needham
My understanding is that there is no provision or ability for IE9 to run on XP. Not complaining just fishing to see if perhaps I missed something. Given (that for reasons beyond my immediate control) I am developing my html/css on a WinXP machine are there any quirks I should be aware of that migh

Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 11:52 AM -0700 3/15/11, Kevin A. Cameron wrote: Thread, must, die Indeed. Among other things, I'm disappointed at the tone to which the thread has sunk and have taken steps to prevent it from continuing to clutter 8,500+ inboxes with a pointless argument and flame-war behavior.

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Kevin A. Cameron
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Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Chris Blake
"I do not want to respond to the flames of someone who claims to be THE professional" Are you talking to me? I didn't claim to be anything Ms. hypocrite 2006. You cause offence and then say 'your only point is..' and 'final point', signed with a smiley face. Does that mean I should ignore yo

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Bill Braun
On 3/15/2011 2:10 PM, Gabriele Romanato wrote: If you continue to support IE 7 and lower, malware creators will be very grateful to you. You make them life easier and help them to go on with infecting people's computers or stealing their credentials or identities. I do not want to respond to t

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Cristian Palmas
2011/3/15 Chetan Crasta > > There is a technological barrier for IE6 on XP users; IE9 does run on > > Windows Vista and Windows 7 only. Ending support for IE6 does not help > > reducing engineering costs if the market share of IE7 is still high. > > > Therefore, support should be graded, and user

Re: [css-d] [Off-topic] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Gabriele Romanato wrote: If you continue to support IE 7 and lower, malware creators will be very grateful to you. You make them life easier and help them to go on with infecting people's computers or stealing their credentials or identities. This is total nonsense. The "you" at the start of

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Gabriele Romanato
If you continue to support IE 7 and lower, malware creators will be very grateful to you. You make them life easier and help them to go on with infecting people's computers or stealing their credentials or identities. I do not want to respond to the flames of someone who claims to be THE professio

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Barney Carroll
On 15 March 2011 17:47, Chris Blake wrote: > I'm English, living in China and Markus is spot on. Another interesting case is South Korea, which has a huge young affluent & very computer-savvy population almost all using Windows & IE since all the major Korean banks require MS proprietary ActiveX

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Chris Blake
On 16/03/2011, at 1:08 AM, Markus Ernst wrote: Am 15.03.2011 17:14 schrieb Gabriele Romanato: With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's time to move on: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-supporting-ie-6-and-7.html I don't want to read other mails abou

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Barney Carroll
Sometimes it seems to me that this list is entirely populated by freelancers & hobbyists (not that I have anything against either). Speaking for myself, over the last 5 years I've worked in an agency that specialised in large information resources for the third sector, digital marketing (ads), lar

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Tomasz Kisielewski
There is a kind of hen-egg problem customers hear about browser support, require us to do it! We have to include support, or loose the customer.We support IE6, they require such support and we have infinite loop( while(1);) Personally I HATE IE6, end of story. don't include support unless I have to

Re: [css-d] ADMIN Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 5:14 PM +0100 3/15/11, Gabriele Romanato wrote: With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's time to move on: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-supporting-ie-6-and-7.html I don't want to read other mails about ie6 and 7 on this list anymore :-) please.

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread JWN
Tim You wrote XP is still the most commonly installed Windows OS and you can't run higher than ie7. I'm afraid you will continue to see requests for ie6&7 help on this list for some time. That MS didn't make a version of 8 or 9 compatible with XP makes me mad. -- Tim I don't know about

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 15.03.2011 17:14 schrieb Gabriele Romanato: With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's time to move on: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-supporting-ie-6-and-7.html I don't want to read other mails about ie6 and 7 on this list anymore :-) please... :-)

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Claude Needham
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Tim Arnold wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Gabriele Romanato < > gabriele.roman...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's >> time to move on: >> >> http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-suppo

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Chetan Crasta
> There is a technological barrier for IE6 on XP users; IE9 does run on > Windows Vista and Windows 7 only. Ending support for IE6 does not help > reducing engineering costs if the market share of IE7 is still high. > Therefore, support should be graded, and user education is advisable. >  http://

Re: [css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Tim Arnold
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Gabriele Romanato < gabriele.roman...@gmail.com> wrote: > With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's > time to move on: > > http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-supporting-ie-6-and-7.html > > I don't want to read other mails ab

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Chetan Crasta
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(v=vs.85).aspx > http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html >From those pages I have compiled a list of CSS features that are supported by IE7 and above. These are features that couldn't be

[css-d] Stop supporting IE 6 and 7

2011-03-15 Thread Gabriele Romanato
With the final release of IE 9 and the good work behind IE 8, I think it's time to move on: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-supporting-ie-6-and-7.html I don't want to read other mails about ie6 and 7 on this list anymore :-) please... :-) HTH :-) http://www.css-zibaldone.com htt

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread G.Sørtun
Market share? Only certain David and his employer with 1600 staff members are currently using it. Apparently they don't have an upgrade option! Rest of the global population have moved on to bigger and better things in life. Or gone to use FF3.6.x and FF4 RC. More or less irrelevant on css-d

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread John D
> Of course the release of IE9 doesn't magically erase IE6's market > share, but it removes an important psychological barrier to abandoning > IE6 support. > Market share? Only certain David and his employer with 1600 staff members are currently using it. Apparently they don't have an upgr

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Ingo Chao
2011/3/15 Chetan Crasta : > ... > Of course the release of IE9 doesn't magically erase IE6's market > share, but it removes an important psychological barrier to abandoning > IE6 support. There is a technological barrier for IE6 on XP users; IE9 does run on Windows Vista and Windows 7 only. Ending

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Gabriele Romanato
Hi. This kind of feature was originally part of an earlier MSXML implementation of namespaces selectors. There's no official documentation available, neither in the IE's branch nor in the MSXML library. I spoke with Alex Mogilevsky (IE development team) a couple of years ago when I submitted my tes

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Chetan Crasta
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(v=vs.85).aspx > http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html Those are useful links, thanks ~Chetan __ css-discuss [css-d@l

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Barney Carroll
Nota Bene (CSS namespaces): The MSDN reference, despite being from the horse's mouth, is slightly misleading on at least one count: Internet Explorer v6+, and every other browser I can currently get my hands on, does in fact support namespace selectors in the format some\:thing {...} …while IE9 i

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Barney Carroll
On 15 March 2011 09:59, Chetan Crasta wrote: > It would be useful to have a comprehensive list of CSS properties that > can be used and changes in web design methodology that will result > from the release of IE9. Could the members of this list add to the > above list of items? http://msdn.micros

[css-d] Internet Explorer 9 Release

2011-03-15 Thread Chetan Crasta
Yay! IE9 has been released. To me that means that I can stop supporting IE6 completely. It is a lot easier to convince clients that IE6 support is not important when one supports three other IE versions (7,8,9). Of course the release of IE9 doesn't magically erase IE6's market share, but it removes