[css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Ron Koster wrote: - > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:06:01 -0500 > From: Ron Koster > Subject: [css-d] The CSS Overlords > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flow

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread Ron Koster
At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >one of more important reasons is speed . > >CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts So instead of rendering in, say, 3 to 6 seconds (which, off the top of my head, seems about average, for any average page on the 'net --

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread David Laakso
Ron Koster wrote: > >> one of more important reasons is speed . >> >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts >> > > So instead of rendering in, say, 3 to 6 seconds (which, off the top > of my head, seems about average, for any average page on the 'net -- > at least o

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread Karl Hardisty
On 19/01/2009, at 5:40 AM, Ron Koster wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> one of more important reasons is speed . >> >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts > > So instead of rendering in, say, 3 to 6 seconds (which, off the top > of my head,

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread Cyber Cog
This thread teeters precariously on the sharp edge of troll bait. (gravity pulling toward trolling) Time to stop. - CC On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ron Koster wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >one of more important reasons is speed . > > > >CSS pages render abou

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-18 Thread Ron Koster
At 02:38 PM 1/18/2009 -0700, Cyber Cog wrote: >This thread teeters precariously on the sharp edge of troll bait. (gravity >pulling toward trolling) Sorry, folks -- didn't mean to beat a dead fish, er, horse. :/ I do appreciate/have appreciated this thread, though, and it has been genuinely helpf

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts Ask anyone not on a fast internet connection. Not everyone has the luxury (utility?) of high speed internet connections such

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Kevin Doyle
I must have a slow "brain connection", because something about the above just hit me: how fast a page renders has nothing to do with the speed of your internet connection, but rather the speed of your computer. You would *download* the files faster or slower depending on your connection, but the

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 12:57 PM 1/21/2009 -0800, Kevin Doyle wrote: It's ~both~ how quickly your computer can process the page and how quickly your computer can download the page; however, it's mostly how quickly you can download a page because the processing load of a single web page, no matter how complex, is ve

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Joseph Sims
I know this whole thing is did to death already... but I just read some of this, and it makes me think. I suspect that a lot of the table based layout enthusiasts are people who made a switch (partial even) from desktop publishing. Ron mentioned he did, and I have some clients that have website

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Del Wegener
I know this whole thing is did to death already... but I just read some of this, and it makes me think. I suspect that a lot of the table based layout enthusiasts are people who made a switch (partial even) from desktop publishing. Ron mentioned he did, and I have some clients that have webs

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Zisman
On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Ron Koster wrote: At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts In that regard, I still don't know how important a factor it is for CSS

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 01:32 PM 1/21/2009 -0800, Joseph Sims wrote: I know this whole thing is did to death already... Actually, I agree, believe it or not -- I don't know what else could be said, really, about the whole tables vs. CSS layouts thing. I only popped back in under that subject heading, though, beca

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 04:18 PM 1/21/2009 -0600, Del Wegener wrote: I have had ( and surely others have also had) clients who were so insistent the webpage (as designed by their long-time advertising company) be as static as the printed page that they furnished a JPEG image of the desired page and I was instructed

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-22 Thread Jen Strickland
I have had ( and surely others have also had) clients who were so insistent the webpage (as designed by their long-time advertising company) be as static as the printed page that they furnished a JPEG image of the desired page and I was instructed that web page was to consist of that single

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-23 Thread david
Ron Zisman wrote: On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Ron Koster wrote: At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts In that regard, I still don't know how important a facto