Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-18 Thread Damian B. Cooper
-Caveat Lector- At 10:56 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Question: What, if any, crime has been committed? That depends on the wording of the local laws, and NOT on anyone's religious beliefs, particularly those of somebody else, not

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-17 Thread Damian B. Cooper
At 08:17 AM 9/14/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If the "mother" wants an unborn child to live, then it's a "person", Not until it's born. Ms. Single Thirdworlder checks into the county welfare hospital eight months pregnant. Dr. Population

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-17 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Question: What, if any, crime has been committed? That depends on the wording of the local laws, and NOT on anyone's religious beliefs, particularly those of somebody else, not involved, and living in another legal juristiction. Crime is a legal matter,

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-16 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In legal terms you become a person when you are bornbut legally you can define anything And in religious terms you can define anything. The definition of a fetus as a person is a religious definition. Not all people share, or can be realistically

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-16 Thread J Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If the "mother" wants an unborn child to live, then it's a "person", Not until it's born. In legal terms you become a person when you are bornbut legally you can define anything . Blacks in america were considerred a part personso in a way is the

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-14 Thread Damian B. Cooper
At 06:09 PM 9/9/00 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a lie and it IS much more honest than the anti-choicers calling themselves "pro-life" when the lion's share of them are pro-death penalty. Most people I know are indeed "pro-choice" as am I, and the main point here is

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-14 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If the "mother" wants an unborn child to live, then it's a "person", Not until it's born. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-14 Thread Nurev Ind Research
nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If the "mother" wants an unborn child to live, then it's a "person", Not until it's born. That's a cultural determination. Not a legal, or scientific one. One can argue that after 24 weeks when the development of the lungs is finished, that

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-13 Thread J Taylor
-Original Message- From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language This is bogus logic, based on the a priori assumption that a fetus is a person. That a fetus is a person

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-13 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I originally sent this in tolook at the use of language not abortion Calling a fetus a person is a disingenuous use of language.You can call an egg a chicken but that don't make it cluck. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-11 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If the residents of Texas vote against the legalization of abortion, and I live in Texas and want an abortion, I would simply go to Oklahoma or Arizona or any other state where abortion has been voted in. Only if you could afford it. That makes it a class

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-10 Thread Jean Staffen
I am pro-life AND pro-choice. I believe that abortion is murder and that it is wrong. But I believe that others should not be forced by law to abide by my beliefs. The controversy surrounding abortion results from there actually being TWO issues here. The first is the issue of abortion and

[CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-09 Thread J Taylor
Abortion and the English Language by Joseph Sobran In his famous essay "Politics and the English Language," George Orwell analyzed the corrupting influence of dishonest politics on the way we speak and think. There is no better example than the effect abortion has had on our language. Though

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-09 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 9/9/00 12:13:37 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nobody admits to being "pro-abortion"; they are "pro-choice." This is an obvious lie. It's not a lie and it IS much more honest than the anti-choicers calling themselves "pro-life" when the lion's share

Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language

2000-09-09 Thread nessie
This is bogus logic, based on the a priori assumption that a fetus is a person. That a fetus is a person is not a fact, but a religious doctrine. As such it aplies only to the practitioners of those religions of which it is a tenet. Stop trying to cram your religion down the rest of our throats.