Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-30 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 9/30/02 1:38 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >> I did ask you 2 questions, trying clarify, for myself and my own > imperfect >> understanding of what you said. >> >> 1 - Do you believe a "end justify the means" philosophy of action? > > My point was su

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-30 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- > I did ask you 2 questions, trying clarify, for myself and my own imperfect > understanding of what you said. > > 1 - Do you believe a "end justify the means" philosophy of action? My point was such a broad question is irrelevant to the Israeli occupation of Palestine with

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-29 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- I guess an intelligent conversation is impossible with you, yet I keep trying. What you think is the ONLY thing relevant in terms of this conversation. It's the whole point of having conversations. Nowhere did I defend colonial rule. Nowhere did I say Israel has carte blanche on

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-29 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- > But you didn't answer my question ( the one that encompasses my "senseless" > point) - do you believe in that sort of "ends justify the means" philosophy > of action? Your question is childish. What I think or don't think is irrelevant. What is relevant is this basic reality.

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-29 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- Blowing up children on school buses is NOT fighting back against an oppressor. It is killing innocents. ( can you show me an example where the Warsaw uprising targeted German civilians? (seeing as it was in Poland , pretty much all the Germans there were military personnel- no?

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-29 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- >>> Oppressors often pay a horrible price for their oppression. >>> flw > So the ends justify the means? > If that isn't the simplest description of evil, I don't know what is. > "yeah, he's a vicious amoral murderer, but he's our vicious amoral >murderer" Your point makes no se

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-28 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- So the ends justify the means? If that isn't the simplest description of evil, I don't know what is. "yeah, he's a vicious amoral murderer, but he's our vicious amoral murderer" Not only do the ends not justify the means - the means ARE the ends. on 9/28/02 10:19 PM, flw at

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-28 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- > Funny > > I thought the baby died because some asshole blew himself up on a bus. Oppressors often pay a horrible price for their oppression. flw http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselyt

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-28 Thread Jei
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, thew wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > on 9/28/02 1:07 AM, Mark McHugh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > >> Hey flw > >> > >> Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded > >> the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy whe

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 9/28/02 1:07 AM, Mark McHugh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Hey flw >> >> Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded >> the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when they are killed? > > thew, I'm wondering, considering your viewpo

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread Mark McHugh
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Hey flw > > Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded > the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when they are killed? thew, I'm wondering, considering your viewpoint (http://home.earthlink.net/~thew/

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 9/27/02 12:21 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >> Hey flw >> Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that >> exploded the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when >> they are killed? > > Killing babies is evil. However th

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread Mermaid
-Caveat Lector- These are the same people who decry abortion and IVF! The Mermaid xx - Original Message - From: flw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew >

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- > Hey flw > Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that >exploded the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when >they are killed? Killing babies is evil. However the reason that Israeli babies die is because Israeli leaders are willing to sacrific

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-27 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- Hey flw Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when they are killed? on 9/26/02 10:01 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Print Edition News Ha'aretz > > Friday, Septe

[CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

2002-09-26 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Print Edition News Ha'aretz Friday, September 27, 2002 Tishrei 21, 5763 Israel Time: 04:56 (GMT+3) Palestinian baby dies in Hebron when army lobs teargas into souk Innocent Jenin man shot dead by IDF By Arnon Regular A Palestinian infant was killed in Hebron yesterday mo