On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
>You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay.
>Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are
>referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little
>boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that
Marcel Popescu writes:
>From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Imagine if the software business were like this - that the programmers
> > of the late 40's had formed an American Programmers Association,
> > and it was unlawful for anyone without APA certification to write
> > code for money
>On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Kerry L. Bonin wrote:
>especially software sold to us mass market consumers. I expect markets
>exist in which software has to be held to an extremely high standard of
>reliability (e.g. Space Shuttle, financial markets, health software,
>embedded systems spring to mind). Ho
At 01:17 -0400 9/19/00, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
>Kevin Elliott wrote:
>>
>>Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de.
>
>Here's a little something else I picked up from the same stupid website
>(you know...the one you say only promotes sex between teenagers and
>adults...)
My god!
And more from this "only TEENAGERS and adults" website...
"Recently, I showed a friend a photograph of myself and a
twelve-year-old boy with whom I was bonded years ago. We are standing
side by side with my arm around his shoulder, in what I would consider a
typical adult-child pose. M
Kevin Elliott wrote:
>
>Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de.
Here's a little something else I picked up from the same stupid website
(you know...the one you say only promotes sex between teenagers and
adults...)
be boys with names like Jimmy & Joey ~
Kevin Elliott wrote:
>
> At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website
> >from another world.
>
> I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the
> stupid website if you don't believe me www.namb
Kevin Elliott wrote:
>
> At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website
> >from another world.
>
> I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the
> stupid website if you don't believe me www.namb
At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website
>from another world.
I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the
stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de.
--
Kevin "The Cubbie" Elli
> >If we are playing that game, I have 5000+ volumes here. All 5000 of them
> >AND my gorilla say that you are full of it.
> >
> That's "Orangutang".
No, Helena was in a different room at the time. It was most certainly
the Gorilla (and it is hard to make a mistake on such matters).
I can send
On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> AIDS/HIV: $39,172.00
> Diabetes: $ 5,449.00
> Cancer: $ 3,776.00
> Heart Disease: $ 1,056.00
> Stroke: $ 765.00
>
> What's wrong with this picture? You don't get cancer by engaging
>in p
> Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay:
> > >
> > > I've given information which is readily available to anyone who
> > > takes the time to investigate it.
> >
> > But you have failled to provide information which should be
> > readily available to you if you are telling the truth.
> >
> >
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>
> > Jay:
> >
> > I've given information which is readily available to anyone who
> > takes the time to investigate it.
>
> But you have failled to provide information which should be
> readily available to you if you are telling the truth.
>
> You are the person wh
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Elliott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> than the rest of NATO combined. HEll, ignoring
> turkey we have more territory than the rest of NATO
> combined!
Did the U.S. senate finally ratify the Canada Annexation Treaty?
Ok, you can reword are reiterate your claims. How about backing them up
with documentation? (if it's been 'reinforced' every year, it surely is not
secret and you must have some links to back up your claims)
BTW of your new ones:
1) Would you NOT have them available to all persons regardless of
> The military is currently cannibalizing everything it can
> to keep as many units as it possibly can active.
If less of the 'defense' budget ended up spent on barracks
that serve no military purpose, planes that the Pentagon don't
want and gold plated research projects, there would be no
pr
At 12:25 -0400 9/16/00, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>Spending the federal defense budget on almost anything other
>than military pork would be a good thing. The US millitary budget
>is more than half the discressionary spending of the US. It is
>greater than the combined spending of all the NATO a
> You don't approve of free speech.
>
> You don't approve of freedom of religion.
>
> You don't approve of the right to petition the government.
>
> Tell me, Jodi, is there any part of the First Amendment you DO support?
You
> know, Cuba is just a short swim from Florida. You'd like it there. No f
At 12:30 AM 9/16/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> It's already been demanded, Tom. During the Gay Pride March on
>Washington, the state and federal demands included:
>
> 1) Repeal of all age-of-consent laws (for sex with kids);
>
Etc...
"..the right to petition the government fo
> > 4) demand that Federal Defense budget funds be diverted to
> > cover AIDS patients' medical expenses...
> >
> > The 1998 Federal Budget included $4.746 *BILLION* for AIDS
> > funding. That was a $465 million increase over the 1997 Budget, which
> > is more funding than all forms of can
>
> > If it was 'officially set forth'
> > one would think you could produce quotes
> > rather than paraphrases.
> >
> > And maybe name the correct organization.
> > (NCGO doesn't seem to exist, if Altavista is anything to go by)
>
> Try looking under the protocols of the elders of Zion.
All
> If it was 'officially set forth'
> one would think you could produce quotes
> rather than paraphrases.
>
> And maybe name the correct organization.
> (NCGO doesn't seem to exist, if Altavista is anything to go by)
Try looking under the protocols of the elders of Zion.
Phill
> In 1972 (the year before the APA unilaterally decided
> homosexuality was "no longer an illness") the Gay Rights Platform was
> drawn up at the convention of the National Coalition of Gay Organizers.
> It was officially set forth at the Gay Pride March on Washington, D.C.
> on April 25, 199
> 4) demand that Federal Defense budget funds be diverted to
> cover AIDS patients' medical expenses...
>
> The 1998 Federal Budget included $4.746 *BILLION* for AIDS
> funding. That was a $465 million increase over the 1997 Budget, which
> is more funding than all forms of cancer combined.
Feel free.
eese wrote:
>
> At 12:14 AM 16/09/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> >At $250.00 an hour. In advance.
>
> Callgirlie wages and stipulations.
>
> I hold you in new regard.
>
> It's a step in a new direction, Jodi, do we need to explore it?
>
> >petro wrote:
> >>
> >> >petro wrote
In 1972 (the year before the APA unilaterally decided
homosexuality was "no longer an illness") the Gay Rights Platform was
drawn up at the convention of the National Coalition of Gay Organizers.
It was officially set forth at the Gay Pride March on Washington, D.C.
on April 25, 1993 and has
Jodi's fantasy world again.
Ok Jodi..document your claims
which 'march on Washington"
Please specifiy who made these 'demands' and the actual quotes involved
(not your imaginative paraphrases)
Of course, if your past behavior on this list is any indicator, statements
were wildly interpreted to
By the way, if Jody only wants to fax the document,
and Petro only wants to receive it by email,
Petro can set up a JFAX.COM account which will
accept faxes and email them to him (as TIFF files.)
At 12:06 AM 9/15/00 -0700, petro wrote:
>>petro wrote:
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> Pr
even though there are plenty who would like to hold you
> > > > responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
> > > >
> > > > jay
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Jodi Hoffman <[EMAIL
Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> If you're serious, send it. We own a law firm. Furthermore, a lot of
> the cases we handle are pro bono, especially when children are involved.
You "own" a law firm, eh? Big surprise there.
petro wrote:
>
> >You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay.
> >Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are
> >referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little
> >boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting
>
would like to hold you
> > > responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
> > >
> > > jay
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Jodi Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Jay Holovacs <[EMAIL PRO
Phill Hallam-Baker writes:
>The problem with the KKK, AN and other groups of thugs isn't what they say,
>it is what they do - beat people up.
>
>As for being PC, can anyone explain how an organization could
>be less tollerant of opposing views than the AN?
Perhaps not less tolerant, but certainl
> > >Actually, she got shot at and roughed up
> > >by AN members. (AN has a habit of disavowing relations
> > >with members once they get in trouble with The Elders of Zion.)
> >
> > This woman and her daughter just "happened" to be far from home, out
> > near the AN compound, and their car, the
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> > To: Jay Holovacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM
> > Subject: R
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
>
> > Jay Holovacs wrote:
> > >
> >
At 4:57 PM -0400 9/13/00, Omri Schwarz wrote:
> > At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote:
>> >You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the
>> >same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they
>> >advocate violence to children)
>> >
>>
> I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website
> throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as
> well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really
You definitely should.
A quick email from anybody on this list and your printout
> [A veteran free speech activist in Cambridge, Mass. sent me this. Any
> offers of mirroring should go to the list, where I assume they'll be duly
> forwarded. I wonder how long the HTML files in question here would last on
> a Geocities/etc account. --Declan]
>
Did Curley's lawyers at least
> At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote:
> >You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the
> >same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they
> >advocate violence to children)
> >
> >Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting
At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote:
>You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the
>same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they
>advocate violence to children)
>
>Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speec
>
> To: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
> >
> > Ah,
an abortion clinic bombed.
> >
> > jay
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Jodi Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <
September 13, 2000 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
>
> Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and
> murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First
> Amendment, Liz. I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel
> differently.
At 10:56 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
>
> Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and
>murderers.
Nope, only to the support of those who advocate it, just like I support
your right to free speech. I daresay you're much more dangerous to children
than any NAMBLA me
Colin Rafferty wrote:
>
> Jodi Hoffman writes:
> > Declan McCullagh forwards:
>
> >> Frisoli, the Curley lawyer, has been making very outrageous and
> >> false statements about what was on the web site. Because the media
> >> has no access to the site, no one can contradict him. ... Printed
> >>
Lizard wrote:
>
> At 03:11 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> > I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website
> >throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as
> >well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really
> >are a member
At 03:11 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website
>throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as
>well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really
>are a member of NAMBLA. It certainly
Jodi Hoffman writes:
> Declan McCullagh forwards:
>> Frisoli, the Curley lawyer, has been making very outrageous and
>> false statements about what was on the web site. Because the media
>> has no access to the site, no one can contradict him. ... Printed
>> material from NAMBLA is difficult to f
[A veteran free speech activist in Cambridge, Mass. sent me this. Any
offers of mirroring should go to the list, where I assume they'll be duly
forwarded. I wonder how long the HTML files in question here would last on
a Geocities/etc account. --Declan]
---
Hi Declan,
I know you're aware of
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