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Re: (Being able to) sell votes

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. But then votes are property, and property can be transfered, so you could sell your vote from your will, and dead voters

Re: AIR TRAVELER ID REQUIREMENT CHALLENGED

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Damn. I can't help but think that this sounds kinda Kafka-esque...might we see something like this in the future? Court: Please provide a defense for the charges that have been levied against you. Gilmore: Sure, if you'll tell me what the charges are, and what law I've broken. Court: No.

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Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: Ross Perot demonstrated that you can buy your way into an election now. Maybe we should just admit that that's the case. Could it be worse than the unofficially sold elections and gerrymandered districts we have now? I think it's pretty well

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 07:02:40AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: | On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: | | Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I | like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. | | But then votes are property, and property can be

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Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

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Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

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Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

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Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?

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On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

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Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote: But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be heroic. That indicates something, what

Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote: On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the

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Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: Ross Perot demonstrated that you can buy your way into an election now. Maybe we should just admit that that's the case. Could it be worse than the unofficially sold elections and gerrymandered districts we have now? I think it's pretty well

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 07:02:40AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: | On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: | | Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I | like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. | | But then votes are property, and property can be

Re: AIR TRAVELER ID REQUIREMENT CHALLENGED

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
Damn. I can't help but think that this sounds kinda Kafka-esque...might we see something like this in the future? Court: Please provide a defense for the charges that have been levied against you. Gilmore: Sure, if you'll tell me what the charges are, and what law I've broken. Court: No.

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. But then votes are property, and property can be transfered, so you could sell your vote from your will, and dead voters

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2002-11-18 Thread Alif The Terrible
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(Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
Who, for instance, sees nothing at all wrong with selling votes. Where I come from, it's called equity. :-). Yes, one could argue that the vast majority of the public have their votes bought and sold all the time, but they are unaware of it and don't reap the benefits. Wait scratch that...they

Re: AIR TRAVELER ID REQUIREMENT CHALLENGED

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Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
And to think some people think Timoth McVeigh was wrong in liquidating a military target. Holy Crap May, I'm not quite sure how you meant this but I find this distrubing (and I agree with a lot of what you post)...by Military Target do you mean the building, or the people (and children) who

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Someone posted: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected terrorism suspects under a law adopted by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. So we not only have secret courts, we

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:31 AM, Elyn Wollensky wrote: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers 36 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected terrorism