Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-08 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting Khoder bin Hakkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [faustine] > More interestingly, s/he neglects to include this disqualifier from > State Secrets: > > >>Allegiance to the United States > > Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying > include: > > d. Involvement

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-08 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin
> Oh, and I can't believe I almost forgot--I'm sure you'll be > tickled pink to learn that ever having had anything to do with > you can be the kiss of death as far as getting clearance is > concerned. From the adjudication guidelines: > > http://www.dss.mil/training/adr/adjguid/adjguidF.htm > > "

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome (and sec clearance games)

2002-04-07 Thread Optimizzin Al-gorithym
At 09:22 PM 4/6/02 -0800, John Young wrote: >Kahn's right, and admirably so, for once you get access >to classified material you are doomed to be distrusted >outside the secret world. Another reason: once you get a clearance, you can't speak freely. The latest _Tech Review_ interviews an MIT Pr

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-07 Thread matthew X
>>To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can any of their contractors who have agreed to abide the official rules. Which, as oft stated here, includes all state-empowered and privilieged professionals, from architects to lawyers to doctors to priests to acupuncturists, and not l

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Faustine wrote: > >I'm not an expert on this, > > Then why aren't you following your own advice? By being not an expert on this I mean I haven't worked excessively with HCN (I tried smelling it once), nor administered LD50 tests personally. > If anyone is interested in le

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting John Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can > any of their contractors who have agreed to abide > the official rules. Which, as oft stated here, includes > all state-empowered and privilieged professionals, > from architects to lawyers to doc

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread John Young
Disinfo is a complicated topic, and it's not easy to know for sure when it is occurring; if it was easy to tell then it wouldn't be very effective disinfo. For all its admirable reputation RAND continues to be a forum for disinformation of high quality. This follows from its classified work and t

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eugene wrote: >I have not followed this thread closely, So why bother to chime in with your two cents before spending the five minutes it would take to learn what's been going on? >but could clueless posters please shut up, for a change? Instead o

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-05 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Major Variola wrote: >>Absolutely, these are often erroneous and badly written. Yes, you have >>every right to expect to see disinformation in them. But in this case, >>there's nothing lethal about adding sodium cyanide to a urea nitrate bomb-- >If

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-05 Thread Aimee Farr
Faustine wrote: > I have a hunch the DoD would like nothing better than to see > leakees go totally > apeshit on leakers as "disinformation spreaders." Do their dirty > work, save > them the trouble: sounds perfectly in line with Rumsfeld's doctrinal > emphasis on "deterrence by denial" to me. Go

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:45 AM 4/5/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >Well, given how hot he was last month about the idea of someone who seemed to >be deliberately feeding him a line of disinformation, I just thought it was >important not to throw an accusation like that around which reflects badly on >the manual donor, es

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:15 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >And as long as you don't recommend that John call out the Snackycake Posse on >the poor schmoe who sent him the manual thinking he was trying to help, I >honestly couldn't care less. I don't think anyone has accused JY of intentional disinfo; he is large

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-04 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 One more time: > > Either or, is it? Are you totally unfamiliar with the concept of coupling > > high explosives with chemical agents? Good god, no wonder you're so > > confused. > 1. Ad hominem is a sign of weakness. But you genuinely seem confuse

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-04 Thread Morlock Elloi
> Either or, is it? Are you totally unfamiliar with the concept of coupling > high explosives with chemical agents? Good god, no wonder you're so confused. 1. Ad hominem is a sign of weakness. 2."Chemical agent" can mean anything. "coupling" can mean anything. 3. Your statements are empty and w

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-04 Thread Richard Fiero
Faustine wrote: > > [...] Darwinian justice. > > >>I don't know much about Darwin (nothing), but I am interested why there's > >>Darwinian justice. > >Oh, it's just a kind of poetic shorthand. The way I see it, the American idea >of justice as conceived by the Founding Fathers and made plain in th

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-04 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morlock: >I never mentioned that there are no chemical devices using H2SO4 and NaCN (and >it's hardly a "bomb", H2SO4 + 2 NaCN = Na2SO4 + 2 HCN is not an explosive >reaction, although it does generate some heat.) I said that these two are NOT >compo

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-04 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:20 PM 4/3/02 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: >> Bomb components, silly. "Everything" was in the "bomb", capiche? Common >> usage, as found on the web: > >The point of the exercise was to underline the disinformation content. If you >argue this, then you should provide an example of a bomb which

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-03 Thread Morlock Elloi
> >H2SO4 and NaCN are "components" of CO(NH2)2HNO3 less than Frank Zappa's piss > >and Elvis' shit are part of Faustine (and she does contain several billion > >atoms from those two components). > > > Bomb components, silly. "Everything" was in the "bomb", capiche? Common > usage, as found on th

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-03 Thread Nomen Nescio
>This is anarchists-cookbook-style disinfo. While mighty US military think tanks prepare for Homeland defense against total cretins, I wonder if it's time for citizenry to hire professionals for the real defense. Not that I expect that talibanladens will be contracted any time soon again (the eff

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-03 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Faustine wrote: Morlock wrote: > I think someone got careless: terrorists have used sodium cyanide in > their "urea nitrate bombs"--the first WTC bombing, as a matter of fact. > Look it up. The compound referred to as an "explosive used by terrorists

Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-03 Thread Morlock Elloi
> I think someone got careless: terrorists have used sodium cyanide in > their "urea nitrate bombs"--the first WTC bombing, as a matter of fact. > Look it up. The compound referred to as an "explosive used by terrorists" > was primarily urea nitrate based, and indeed contained all the components