Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-28 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gil wrote: Faustine writes: best is write code, write code. The main thing is to DO something, whatever your skills and talents are. Spare everyone the hot air and just do it. What *you* say is hot air; what *I* say is policy analysis. But who's

Re: FW: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:14 PM 3/27/02 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Additionally, Aimee is an Outlook user, and mattd is a Eudora user. The forgery referenced below was sent from Eudora. And strings in exe's can't be edited? I know of folks who've edited the PGP header line to

Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-28 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gil wrote: Faustine writes: best is write code, write code. The main thing is to DO something, whatever your skills and talents are. Spare everyone the hot air and just do it. What *you* say is hot air; what *I* say is policy analysis. But who's

Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-27 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morlock wrote: And whatever deceptive advantages might possibly come from the *public perception* of rampant incompetence and donutchompery, the drawbacks are Optimism may somatize one against dread of reality, but it will surely impair

FW: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-27 Thread Aimee Farr
to noise proposal) Faustine If I was not a lady I would say you are full of shit On 26 Mar 2002 at 23:07, Faustine wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Faustine: Aimee wrote: Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been established. Careful

Re: FW: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-27 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aimee Farr Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal) Faustine If I was not a lady I would say you are full of shit

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Faustine wrote: Bah. I say it depends entirely on what the lie is, who's being lied to, and how confident and artistic the confidence artists are. If they were good enough (and their targets comfortable enough), all three could be lying their asses off about anything

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-26 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Faustine wrote: Bah. I say it depends entirely on what the lie is, who's being lied to, and how confident and artistic the confidence artists are. If they were good enough (and their targets comfortable enough),

Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-26 Thread Aimee Farr
Faustine: Aimee wrote: To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. Bah. I say it depends entirely on what the lie is, who's being lied to, and how confident and artistic the confidence artists are. You're probably right. Choate: Actually they can, only

Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: Recursive is just writing backwards. No it doesn't, it means 'write again'; as in over and over. -- There is less in this than meets the eye.

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Faustine wrote: Maybe, but whether they're picked up on is the only thing that counts. Actually not, if the various agents involved act as if the lie is the truth then at some point their actions will come into conflict. In fact this sort of behaviour can lead to the

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: You know, ME LUCKY CHARMS! I know the little boys and girls are after me lucky charms. Silly rabbit, Tricks are for kids! -- There is less in this than meets

RE: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-26 Thread Aimee Farr
And I thought you were from Texas. ;) Hold it up to a mirror. (Well... it does make a point.) ~Aimee Recursive is just writing backwards. No it doesn't, it means 'write again'; as in over and over. --

RE: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-26 Thread Aimee Farr
Faustine wrote: But what about when the unlucky charmers find they're actually the victims of a deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers kind of thing. What shows that the snowers know they've slowly been snowed? Bet it keeps a lot of people awake at night, that one.

Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: And I thought you were from Texas. ;) Hold it up to a mirror. It's the same size it was before, only reversed. -- There is less in this than meets the eye.

Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)

2002-03-26 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Faustine: Aimee wrote: Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been established. Careful parsing is the spice of life... :P So sayeth the academic-researcher-grad student pretext... :P ITS A CONSPIRACY -some poor

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-25 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. Actually they can, only one (or both, if we allow 3 or more agents, only one is required to 'know' the lie) of the people must believe it is the truth. --

RE: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-25 Thread Aimee Farr
To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. Choate: Actually they can, only one (or both, if we allow 3 or more agents, only one is required to 'know' the lie) of the people must believe it is the truth. Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread Graham Lally
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] - ... the mailing list simply records # of posts written by each poster. call this P - mailing list records # of times someone wrote a post that was replied to. ... call this R - pseudoreputation is a measure of the above two parameters. one can

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:45:20PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - posts to the list are like currency. lurkers Not a useful analogy. For some people, the more they post, the lower their reputation falls. - mailing list records # of times someone wrote a post that was replied to. posts

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Declan wrote: There may be the germ of an idea here, but I'm hardly convinced an automated mechanism such as you describe will work. Even if it did, getting people focused on improving their popularity ratings rather than contributing ideas is

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread vznuri
ahem, yes I am aware any simple system is easily circumvented defeated, but that doesnt imply that it will be. Ive noticed many objections to any new proposal often take the form, but that would be different than what we have now!!! wow, amazing, no kidding!!! I can come up with all kinds of

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 12:30 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:45:20PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - posts to the list are like currency. lurkers Not a useful analogy. For some people, the more they post, the lower their reputation falls. A lot of the

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-24 Thread Jim Choate
[Warning to humor/lexicaly impaired: Use of third person 'you' below] On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ahem, yes I am aware any simple system is easily circumvented defeated, but that doesnt imply that it will be. So are most hard systems also :) ok, fine, status quo stays

signal to noise proposal

2002-03-23 Thread vznuri
hi all. Ive been fascinated with the problem of signal to noise for as long as Ive been dinking around in internet-cyberspace (now over a decade). oldtimers may recall that Ive had many various proposals over the past on the list. it does seem that cypherpunks has succumbed to significant

Re: CDR: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-23 Thread Jim Choate
Already in (limited but growing) existance... http://open-forge.org On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. Ive been fascinated with the problem of signal to noise for as long as Ive been dinking around in internet-cyberspace (now over a decade). oldtimers may recall that

Re: signal to noise proposal

2002-03-23 Thread Adam Back
Apart from my recent comments about NoCeM's and on onspool NoCeM reader, another perhaps simpler idea would be to do it all with simple CGI stuff and a web archive. I'm sure this has been discussed before in the past, but I don't recall anyone actually trying it out: subscribers would choose how