Re: Microsoft censors Newsweek - and new version of TCPA FAQ

2002-07-12 Thread John Young
Ross said MSNBC had pulled the Palladium story, not Newsweek. Other Levy stories remain available on MSNBC. A search on MSNBC for "Palladium" produces Steven Levy's chat about Palladium: http://www.msnbc.com/m/nw/talk/archive.asp?lt=062502_levy Still, it may policy for MSNBC to pull Newsweek

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2002-07-12 Thread dmolnar
This seems to be related to the "Stego Watch" program sold by Wetstone Technologies. Does anyone have more information about it? I've found citations for a few papers on it, but none are online. I'll go to the library later, but in the meantime has anyone read these papers or had experience with t

Re: Microsoft censors Newsweek - and new version of TCPA FAQ

2002-07-12 Thread Nomen Nescio
Ross Anderson charged that Microsoft "censored" Newsweek because the Stephen Levy article disappeared. Actually Newsweek moves articles to their for-pay archives after a week. You can still find a pointer to it by going to www.newsweek.com and entering Palladium in the "Search the archives" box.

Re: Rant: The U.S. facing the largest financial collapse ever

2002-07-12 Thread Tim May
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 04:16 PM, John Young wrote: > Bear in mind that the holders of US debts do not want the debts > paid, only the interest, and in fact want both to increase as they > have consistently since the US government went into hock. Most such debts have finite lifetimes. For

Re: Rant: The U.S. facing the largest financial collapse ever

2002-07-12 Thread Morlock Elloi
> - who is that debt owed to? You never, ever, collect debt from one that has a bigger gun than you do. 'debt' as a notion has meaning only between equal parties. Everything's OK and taken care for, no need for panic or doomsday predictions. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, th

Re: Rant: The U.S. facing the largest financial collapse ever

2002-07-12 Thread Tim May
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 12:13 PM, Adam Back wrote: > Tim describes how US national debt may be as high as US$200k / > household. > > Now some interesting question related questions are: > > - who is that debt owed to? A partial list (not in any particular order, especially not necessarily

RE: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-12 Thread Lucky Green
Adam wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 11:18:12AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: > A 'second hand' root key seems to have some > trust issues > | - the thing you are buying is the private half of a public key pair > | but that's just a piece of information. How can you be > sure that, > | as p

Re: Rant: The U.S. facing the largest financial collapse ever

2002-07-12 Thread John Young
Bear in mind that the holders of US debts do not want the debts paid, only the interest, and in fact want both to increase as they have consistently since the US government went into hock. A prime reason holders of US debt fear other countries defaulting on their debt is that that might become a

Re: Rant: The U.S. facing the largest financial collapse ever

2002-07-12 Thread Adam Back
Tim describes how US national debt may be as high as US$200k / household. Now some interesting question related questions are: - who is that debt owed to? - what proportion of current year US tax revenues go to service that debt? some of the debt may not be being serviced (no interest paid a

Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-12 Thread lynn . wheeler
and just to make sure there is a common understanding regarding SSL cert operation ... the browser code 1) checks that the SSL server cert can be validated by ANY public key that is in the browser preloaded list (I haven't verified whether they totally ignore all of the "cert" part of these prelo

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-07-12 Thread Eric Murray
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 07:14:55PM +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: > > >From a purely economic perspectice, I can't see how this will fly. I'll pull a > random figure of $5 out of thin air (well, I saw it mentioned somewhere but > can't remember the source) as the additional manufacturing cost for t

Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-12 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 11:18:12AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: | > I'd rather not state the exact figures. A search of SEC filings may or | > may not turn up further details. | > | > > And who actually owns these numerous trusted roots? | > | > I am not sure I understand the question. | > | > --

Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-12 Thread RJ Harvey
Thanks for the tip! I just got a new cert from Geotrust, and it was such an amazing contrast to those I've gotten from Verisign and Thawte! They apparently take the verification info from the whois data on the site, and you really can do the process from start to finish in 10 minutes or so. The

RE: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-12 Thread Trei, Peter
> Lucky Green[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > James wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2002 at 1:22, Lucky Green wrote: > > > "Trusted roots" have long been bought and sold on the > > secondary market > > > as any other commodity. For surprisingly low amounts, you > > too can own > > > a trusted root that c

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-07-12 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Nonsense. Let us remember what Palladium is: > >Palladium is a system designed to enable a few large corporations and >governments to run source secret, indeed, well-encrypted, code on home user's >machines in such a way that the home user cannot see,

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-12 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Sandy Harris wrote: > Doing this is only at worst 12 times harder than breaking a > single known cipher. If some of your 12 breaks are easy, then > total effort is much less than 12 times the hardest cipher. > When we're talking about 2^40 steps to break a laughably weak > ci

RE: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-07-12 Thread Lucky Green
Peter wrote (potentially quoting somebody else) > >From a purely economic perspectice, I can't see how this will fly. > >I'll pull a > random figure of $5 out of thin air (well, I saw it mentioned > somewhere but can't remember the source) as the additional > manufacturing cost for the TCPA ha

RE: DNA databases to be classified

2002-07-12 Thread Lucky Green
keyser-soze wrote: > Scientists build polio virus from scratch > > Scientists have built the virus that causes polio from scratch in > the lab, using nothing more than genetic sequence information from > public databases and readily available technology. > > The feat proves that even if all t

Cypherpunks Meeting and BBQ Saturday 7/13, Lile Elam's, Palo Alto

2002-07-12 Thread Bill Stewart
Lile Elam is hosting a cypherpunks meeting and BBQ this Saturday at 130 Bryant St., Palo Alto. The home and art gallery has 802.11b access, a display area inside for A/V presentations, a yard outside for spoken presentations and discussions (and BBQ). Bring things to grill and potluck-typ

Bluetooth PC adapter supporting headset profile?

2002-07-12 Thread Lucky Green
[Yes, there is a crypto relevance to this post]. I am trying to find a Bluetooth adapter that will permit the use of a Bluetooth headset as the input to a PC's sound mixer under Windows XP. Various websites claim that such products exist, but attempts to purchase such devices in my experience inv

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-12 Thread Dean, James
Given cipher output with bytes that look uniformly distributed, it is easy to write a program that will transform the output to a file having any desired distribution of bytes. I've written a program that makes the output look like transposition of English text.