Re: Wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance.

2002-12-31 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: Too much egg-nog? Try... Stoicism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Stoicism is a school of philosophy commonly associated with such philosophers as Cicero, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, and Epictetus. Organized at Athens in the third century B.C.E.

Re: QM, EPR, A/B

2002-12-31 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: One way out is to ditch quantum mechanics as being anything near a description of reality as classical theories in essence are. Tim Boyer of CUNY and a batch of Italian researchers have done a pretty convincing job of showing that Ahranov-Bohm can be

Re: Drivel and Gutter,Boring.,

2002-12-31 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: Isn't it fascinating to see the neo-liberal Choate post marxist stuff here and relate to this post? Neo-liberal? What a joke. I'm not a liberal or a conservative. Do you have a point to make other than name calling? Typical CACL bullshit. --

Re: Many Worlds Version of Fermi Paradox

2002-12-31 Thread Sarad AV
hi, A few queries. Does a paradox ever help in understanding any thing? We define a paradox on a base of rules we want to prove. Ok,let me pick an example. We make a paradox over a statement. This i found on the net The following is an implication that the Oracle does not exist.

Re: CDR: Re: What is Anarchism?

2002-12-31 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: Anarchism is the belief that people are basically good, (Shoate shite) Sez who? Sez you, actually.. A lot of people attracted to anarchism seem to think like Lord Acton,that power corrupts and the less your average person has over you the safer

Re: [e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, Encrypted, accepts e-gold

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:50 AM 12/13/2002 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: ...It had to happen sooner or later, I suppose... --- begin forwarded text From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, Encrypted, accepts e-gold ... Introducing Seagold.net, a secure web-based

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:57 PM 12/19/2002 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:56:12PM -0500, John Kelsey wrote: | I think this would help, but I also think technology is driving a lot of | this. You don't have to give a lot more information to stores today than | you did twenty years ago for

QM, EPR, A/B

2002-12-31 Thread Nomen Nescio
Tim May wrote... I don't believe, necessarily, in certain forms of the Copenhagen Interpretation, especially anything about signals propagating instantaneously, just the quantum mechanics is about measurables ground truth of what we see, what has never failed us, what the mathematics tells us

Re: Many Worlds Version of Fermi Paradox

2002-12-31 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: And this general line of reasoning leads to a Many Worlds Version of the Fermi Paradox: Why aren't they here? Why aren't they all where? If they were 'here' then they wouldn't be another world now would they? The reason I lean toward the shut up and

re:constant encryped stream

2002-12-31 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Thank you for the reply. they didn't really explain why; I think it was leftover regulations from wartime censorship during World War II or the Korean Police Action. I think so. Also, in the US, the police can request a mail cover (which means recording who all your snail mail

re:constant encryped stream

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:07 AM 12/21/2002 -0800, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Don't encrypt, post it by snail mail. I remember reading this in pgp's help document. It addresses why we glue over our envelope and seal it. It ofcourse is concealing (for the govt) and privacy (for the user). The govt. never asks letters not to

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 09:49:28AM -0800, Kevin Elliott wrote: | At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: | Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a | credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired membership card in | the name Doe. | | Interesting point

Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired membership card in the name Doe. Interesting point on

Happy New Year!

2002-12-31 Thread Jim Choate
If you are going to drink, don't drive. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 01:21:52AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: | At 03:57 PM 12/19/2002 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: | On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:56:12PM -0500, John Kelsey wrote: | | I think this would help, but I also think technology is driving a lot of | | this. You don't have to give a lot

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: | | At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: | Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a | credit card with the name Shostack, and an

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 12:03 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: Yes. So? Notice that exactly the same type of coupon is printed out with a cash or non courtesy card purchase. It's a purely local calculation. In programming terms, a purely local variable situation. No. Obviously the coupon was closely linked

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 11:02 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired

Recommended: Catch Me If You Can, a film

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
I recommend Catch Me If You Can, the new Spielberg-DiCapprio-Hanks movie about Frank W. Abignale, Jr., a true story of how Abignale ran away from home around 1964, forged checks, posed as an airline copilot, then as a doctor, then as a lawyer, while honing his craft in forging and identity

biological systems and cryptography

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
How do you all see the future use of biologically based systems affecting cryptography in general? By biologically based systems I mean machine learning, genetic algorithms, chips that learn (like Carver Mead's work), neural networks, vecor support machines, associative memory, etc. It seems to

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: But what if this data is used as part of a larger picture, such as in TIA. It definitely can be used, along with gas purchases, to track where a suspect, aka a citizen, is living. Also, many possible weapons such as

Re: Recommended: Catch Me If You Can, a film

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 01:22:49PM -0800, Tim May wrote: ... (The next time a CP meeting/party is at my house, someone remind me and I'll put it on. Along with A Beautiful Mind, also of interest to us.) The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots

re:constant encryped stream

2002-12-31 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Also, in the US, the police can request a mail cover (which means recording who all your snail mail is from) with much less legal formality than a search warrant, and if they get a warrant to open all your incoming mail, I don't think they're required to notify you. Is there a way to

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:41 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 11:02 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-31 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 12:58 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 09:49:28AM -0800, Kevin Elliott wrote: | At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: | Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a | credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired

Re: biological systems and cryptography

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:41 AM 12/31/2002 -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: I only ask this because I'm deciding whether to study computational neuroscience or cryptography in grad school. Are you planning to get a PhD and/or do research, or just a terminal master's degree to do engineering? If you're planning to

Re: biological systems and cryptography

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:41 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: How do you all see the future use of biologically based systems affecting cryptography in general? By biologically based systems I mean machine learning, genetic algorithms, chips that learn (like Carver Mead's work), neural

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: But what if this data is used as part of a larger picture, such as in TIA. It definitely can be used, along with gas purchases, to track where a suspect, aka a citizen,

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:27 PM 12/31/2002 -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: As for your point about prescription drugs, box cutters, kitchen knives being trackable, I assume this is a troll

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:49 AM 12/31/2002 -0800, Kevin Elliott wrote: Interesting point on grocery cards... Why do they have your name at all? Remember when people used checks and had check cashing cards at grocery stores? Some grocery store chains used courtesy cards to replace that function. More